Client wants me to go permie

[Unix]

Hi,

Clientco wants me to go permie, I like working there and I get to WFH a lot, so I am considering it. I am not sure how I go about working out salary to ask for, I would like something equivalent to what they are paying me as a contractor, which works out 80-85k which seems high for a very experienced .NET developer. I would be willing to take 10k off as its permie but still seems high 70k, however they have been willing to pay me that rate so far so not sure how to approach it.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Hi,

Clientco wants me to go permie, I like working there and I get to WFH a lot, so I am considering it. I am not sure how I go about working out salary to ask for, I would like something equivalent to what they are paying me as a contractor, which works out 80-85k which seems high for a very experienced .NET developer. I would be willing to take 10k off as its permie but still seems high 70k, however they have been willing to pay me that rate so far so not sure how to approach it.

you think you can get 70k permie salary as a normal developer

[dty]

Depends where you work and what sector you're in. I used to get paid considerably more than that as a senior developer.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Depends where you work and what sector you're in. I used to get paid considerably more than that as a senior developer.

To me it sounds like the OP has done a direct conversion of daily rate x 48 weeks to the permie salary which is not an accurate way of conversion. Unless the OP was getting a day rate of something in the region of £500/day then a 70-80k salary is not a like for a like.

[dty]

So the right way to approach this is to look at the market in your location, industry and skills. Job serve, talk to agents etc. Then talk to client. Add a bit for the value of your continuity, already knowing their systems, etc. Subtract a bit due to lack of risk and being a permie. Make your decision and talk to the company.

[BlasterBates]

My experience is roughly 500 per day -> 80k, 400 -> 60K. That is pretty rough but I would say that would be the best you can hope for.

If your daily rate is 400 I really can't see you getting 80K.

The company has overheads on your salary and a contractor often has travelling expenses to fork out.

Nevertheless point out your net take home and take your negotiations from there. It's up to them to make an attractive offer. The fact they've asked puts you in a good position.

A valid starting point is telling what you earn and you want to keep that. Now you're probably are not going to get it, particularly if you're outside IR35, but let them justify their offer.

[Unix]

The client has been willing to pay me my rate for a year and a half, they think I am doing a great job and want to go permie. Why would I then do the same work for half the income? I don't mind taking a reduction of say 10% I think that is only fair.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The client has been willing to pay me my rate for a year and a half, they think I am doing a great job and want to go permie. Why would I then do the same work for half the income? I don't mind taking a reduction of say 10% I think that is only fair.

because when you go permie there are a lot of additional costs to the company. Are you even aware what it means to be a permie or a contractor?

[Unix]

My experience is roughly 500 per day -> 80k, 400 -> 60K. That is pretty rough but I would say that would be the best you can hope for.

If your daily rate is 400 I really can't see you getting 80K.

The company has overheads on your salary and a contractor often has travelling expenses to fork out.

Nevertheless point out your net take home and take your negotiations from there. It's up to them to make an attractive offer. The fact they've asked puts you in a good position.

A valid starting point is telling what you earn and you want to keep that. Now you're probably are not going to get it, particularly if you're outside IR35, but let them justify their offer.

I think this is a good approach, I know my monthly net so will take this to them as a starting point.

[Unix]

because when you go permie there are a lot of additional costs to the company. Are you even aware what it means to be a permie or a contractor?

I bet you pay the sticker price when you buy a car? You are obviously lacking in confidence and not very good at negotiating.

If you go in with a defeated loser attitude you are going to get average results.