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    Frustrating Client - advice please

    I have a good relationship with a client who I agreed to do some repeat business with earlier this year. The remit was quite vague but as I had previously carried out development project work for them and my background is technical development I thought they had a good idea what I good get involved with.

    The original remit was to assess the current technical implementation and make recommendations. I presented my findings to the managerial team and suggested specific technical recommendations. They all agreed that the recommendations sounded sensible were good but no key decisions were made.

    After very little action from the client I decided to go one step further and highlight the root cause of many of these technical issues. These were largely down to lack of processes and controls and inexperienced developers. Again the management team agreed these were issues but no action was undertaken and I was left at a loose end with no real guidance on what the client wanted.

    At this point I felt that I could offer little more value as my real experience is technical development not change management. Although I continued to force the issue through high level technical documents, presentations and technical proof of concept work.

    Eventually the management team agreed that something had to be done to address the technical situation so a project was set up to re-design and implement a better solution. I thought great this is something I can get involved with and add value but I still highlighted the fact that the processes and people were lacking.

    Now after a month of the project and no resource allocated (other than myself) I find myself frustrated with the lack of process and the client still not giving me an indication of what they want or making any decisions. They are more that happy to have meetings to discuss the issues but the lack of action is infuriating.

    As a consultant I don't think I should be instructing the client on how to engage with their permanent staff or making key business decisions on behalf of them. These are things (amongst others) they are looking for me to do.

    I am now running out of patience and I am thinking about moving on before my current contract finishes before the end of the year. This is not something I have ever considered previously but I feel like I am wasting my time and their money going in circles.

    Any guidance from people?

    Thanks

    #2
    1. Keep head down.
    2. Keep invoicing.

    HTH
    'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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      #3
      Originally posted by amorts View Post
      As a consultant I don't think I should be instructing the client on how to engage with their permanent staff or making key business decisions on behalf of them. These are things (amongst others) they are looking for me to do.
      So what so you think a consultant does do then?

      If you know the answer give them a worked plan with deliverables, resources plus (from the sound of it) the organisational changes you think they need and a timeline. Then either offer to deliver it or to get someone in (a project manager with change experience perhaps?) who can and leave them to it. You have an RoS in your contract (don't you?), you don't necessarily have to substitute a clone when a different job needs doing.
      Blog? What blog...?

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        #4
        @northernladuk Head down and invoicing was my original plan (a couple of months ago) I am really trying hard with this. I just cannot avoid the many meetings talking about all the issues time and time again with no decisions. I get so frustrated that I am becoming worried what I might say if this continues! If it was local it might be a bit easier to take but with a 3 hour + commute each day it is harder to kick back and collect the money...

        @malvolio I have told them to do it properly and drive the cultural shift which they want they need a strong PM (something I am not experienced enough in). They do not agree fully and have instead allocated a PM on a very much ad hoc basis. Unfortunately it is the PM who is asking me these questions of how to manage and engage the perm staff!!
        Last edited by amorts; 7 October 2013, 17:18.

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          #5
          Maybe it is me. Am I being naive in expecting a client to tell me what they want me to do?

          Oh...and this is the best bit. The perm staff aren't that interested in getting involved and enhancing their own skills while doing something worthwhile. So I have been asked to put a proposition together to encourage them to do the work.

          I mean seriously? I think it might just be me....
          Last edited by amorts; 7 October 2013, 17:23.

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            #6
            Originally posted by amorts View Post
            Maybe it is me. Am I being naive in expecting a client to tell me what they want me to do?

            Oh...and this is the best bit. The perm staff aren't that interested in getting involved and enhancing their own skills while doing something worthwhile. So I have been asked to put a proposition together to encourage them to do the work.

            I mean seriously? I think it might just be me....
            Sounds to me you have pushed the client in to an area out of his comfort zone or even understanding (and possibly even budget). By delivering him all this stuff you have added some great extra value which any normal client would be all over like a rash if it was going to save them some money or time. Unfortunately it looks like yours isn't.

            I see you have a couple of choices..

            1) Keep pointing out stuff he knows need fixing but doesn't want to deal with, i.e. it milk the ******* nuts out of it
            2) Deliver him a set of requirements to deliver your proposals and then send in a sub better experienced to deliver with you just consulting once in awhile
            3) Offer to bring in the right guy to work with you to drive your proposal through. Could be nice earner if it needs 2 or 3 people. Could carve a very tasty little bit of work if you can deliver it in this area then move on to the next area of the client.
            3) Deliver his stuff and say thanks but you can't add any more value and leave.

            If you are that fed up then go for the throat. Tell him you will bring your own team of 2 to 3 extra bods and nail it for him. You have nothing to lose, you don't want the gig so try getting the best possible deal or just walk like it looks like you are going to anyway. Start talking to him like a consultancy rather than a one man band. Sell him a solution, not a set of problems or fixes.
            'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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              #7
              Originally posted by amorts View Post

              @malvolio I have told them to do it properly and drive the cultural shift which they want they need a strong PM (something I am not experienced enough in). They do not agree fully and have instead allocated a PM on a very much ad hoc basis. Unfortunately it is the PM who is asking me these questions of how to manage and engage the perm staff!!
              So sub in someone to drive the PM...?

              And much as I hate agreeing with him, NLUK has much the same approach.
              Blog? What blog...?

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                #8
                You are absolutely spot on there.

                So I have recommended another contract developer to bring in with the hope of being able to force it through.

                The department head guy is all for doing it under the covers, but he is very high level and not involved on a daily basis and is unaware of this day-to-day challenges the perm team face currently. The PM/Manager who reports into him (and manages the perm team) I have to deal with daily. He has very different ideas and wants to involve the permanent staff at every stage creating all the additional overhead of processes and controls. From his perspective his team needs to be able to support the solution when the consultants have gone but as earlier mentioned they are inexperienced and not very interested.

                I have attempted to crack on and get on with the development ignoring all the bullsh1t and the hope is I can get my guy in there in the next two weeks but at the moment the manager wants to continue to engage me in putting all the processes in place and 'selling' the concept even more to the perm team. Along with engaging the perm staff and how best to do this. Originally I thought this made sense but in practice we are getting no where. We could easily talk about all the issues until the end of the project with nothing to show for it.

                Saying that's not my job isn't easy to do politely I am finding.

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                  #9
                  I wouldn't worry about what you were originally hired to do, what you have now is an opportunity.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by malvolio View Post
                    So sub in someone to drive the PM...?

                    And much as I hate agreeing with him, NLUK has much the same approach.
                    You do? I looked up to you like and older brother.. a much much older brother
                    'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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