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    #31
    I've come up against this a few times and it generally means the working environment + pay + project are so bad that most contractors want to jump ship as soon as something better (and more local) comes along and don't want to renew and hate every minute of being there.

    It's a warning sign, move on, you'll be glad you did!

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      #32
      Originally posted by AnthonyQuinn View Post
      Having been both a contractor and a hiring manager, I know that this ridiculous looking requirement actually makes sense. When hiring contractors one nowadays finds such rotten eggs that it might be important to see if any client had retained the individual for a reasonable length of time. Say > 1 year. I would be on my guard if someone I am hiring has only ever done 3 month long stints. Just another sanity check.
      Thats nuts though. Some contracts are only 3 months because there's only 3 months worth of work. Nothing to do with the quality of the contractor if thats all the work is there.
      Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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        #33
        Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
        Thats nuts though. Some contracts are only 3 months because there's only 3 months worth of work. Nothing to do with the quality of the contractor if thats all the work is there.
        I disagree to some extent. Unfortunately, although he has changed his ways, NWP2C is one of the types that force this situation on him. Jumping ship on nearly every one of his first couple of years contracting push clients in to doing this so it isn't always the clients fault.
        'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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          #34
          It's the dead sea effect. The good ones often do not stay very long. In a few months they'll make all the positive contribution allowed by the mediocre managers and then move away for greener grass.

          Originally posted by bobspud View Post
          The long contract thing is just a crude way to ensure you have face fitting skills and the ability to stick on a good thing. I have two contacts that regularly manage to get sacked instead of renewed. Reason is they are fantastic techies who love pissing people off. I won't give them references anymore because I know they will get on at least one senior managers tits in 3 months. They are technologically sound and can do the work in their sleep.

          My current client told me they would not expect me to stay very long as contractors don't stay. I pointed to my CV and said what like 2 years and 15 months then one that was 3 years... They are coming round now and starting to talk about next year....

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            #35
            Originally posted by ChimpMaster View Post
            Wow £1k a day with a likelihood of 3+ year contract duration...££££££££
            Looks good on paper, in reality taking a job like this is a major risk for a permie at a top 4 earning thick wedge (£250K+).

            In this economic environment, anyone who lasts longer than 9 months in a front-office IT environment on that rate are rare. Surprise, the recruiter fluffs it up, reality is there is too much senior management movement (MD level) at the moment for any sort of stability in these high-level contract roles. As soon as a new MD moves in, you will be sweating.

            Guess what, if you don't make it past 13 months you fall foul of the recruiters original requirements and you are on the scrap heap for the next role.

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              #36
              Originally posted by xing View Post
              It's the dead sea effect. The good ones often do not stay very long. In a few months they'll make all the positive contribution allowed by the mediocre managers and then move away for greener grass.
              The inability to stick out a role till the client says thanks now you can leave is not the mark of a good contractor. Its unprofessional and no better than the sorts of guys that you see marked out on cowboy builders... You may not get to have your way and change the clients world, but then I doubt you were hired as interim CTO Most of our time is spent offering advice and taking the cash with the client choosing to do his own thing. Thats normal.

              When I see a CV and the last 6 jobs dont go past three months there are only a few conclusions that can be drawn.

              1) Only good for small jobs
              2) Abilities dont match the CV
              3) Good at annoying customers
              4) Gets bored too easily
              5) Cant play the long game well

              Pick one or more of them they will all have some truth within them. Many clients that know that they are a PiA or have a project thats going to be a hard 12+ months (I can think of three DC migrations at the moment) they just dont want the clowns that answer pimps calls 2 months in or who turn out to be dead weights on team moral because there are guys having to redo their work for them.

              Yes they are fully missing the chance to get some good people but then the flip side is too many contractors don't think strategically when they write their CV.

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                #37
                Read the CV to judge whether the contract was meant to be short term or long term

                Surely by reading someones CV you can judge whether its was a long term contract or short term contract
                "Provided end user training" must indicate that the contract was only intended to be for a couple of weeks or months
                "Provided 2nd line support" indicates that its normally long term
                "Sent to Angola to sort out system" indicates that you are willing to travel.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Brussels Slumdog View Post
                  Surely by reading someones CV you can judge whether its was a long term contract or short term contract
                  "Provided end user training" must indicate that the contract was only intended to be for a couple of weeks or months
                  "Provided 2nd line support" indicates that its normally long term
                  "Sent to Angola to sort out system" indicates that you are willing to travel.
                  Agree there but some agents don't see it that way simply because they can't read.
                  "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Brussels Slumdog View Post
                    Surely by reading someones CV you can judge whether its was a long term contract or short term contract
                    "Provided end user training" must indicate that the contract was only intended to be for a couple of weeks or months
                    "Provided 2nd line support" indicates that its normally long term
                    "Sent to Angola to sort out system" indicates that you are willing to travel.
                    Jesus! You've some expectations in agents, havent you?

                    Half of them bombard you with emails for roles with skills that bear no resemblance to your cv and the other half are only interested in how far they can screw you down on rate!
                    I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Brussels Slumdog View Post
                      Surely by reading someones CV you can judge whether its was a long term contract or short term contract
                      "Provided end user training" must indicate that the contract was only intended to be for a couple of weeks or months
                      "Provided 2nd line support" indicates that its normally long term
                      "Sent to Angola to sort out system" indicates that you are willing to travel.
                      In those cases I am guessing they are looking for repeat business. Solved one problem well in a few weeks, got offered the next problem and so on...

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