Moving Project At Same ClientCo

[kaiser78]

I have been asked to move onto another project from my current project at the same client co department, as current PM is moving into a new role themself.

From what I know so far, this is more of an IT Programme Mgmt role than Project Mgmt role I am currently filling, and is something that should become clearer over the next couple of days.

For me this is good news to be seen to be able to fill this role, as I know client co have looked to fill externally and not been able to.

Not sure if a formal job spec exists. Is this something I should ask for and are there any contract/Tc implications arising from this situation ? Needless to say, rate review will come into my thoughts once the new role is clear.

TIA.

[cojak]

You'll need to get your contract schedule amended to reflect the change, but that should be pretty straightforward.

[northernladuk]

A permie would move from project to project as directed by his employer with no job spec and no change to his contract.. and have very little choice about it.

You need to make it as clear as possible none of those factors apply to you. I would try and go further than change the schedule and ask the client to give notice on the old contract as the work and so the contract has ended and supply you with a new contract for the next piece of work.

Your client appears to respect your work and value so a new piece of paperwork doesn't seem an unreasonable request. How they will take the rate rise you insist on is another matter

[nomadd]

A permie would move from project to project as directed by his employer with no job spec and no change to his contract.. and have very little choice about it.

You need to make it as clear as possible none of those factors apply to you. I would try and go further than change the schedule and ask the client to give notice on the old contract as the work and so the contract has ended and supply you with a new contract for the next piece of work.

Your client appears to respect your work and value so a new piece of paperwork doesn't seem an unreasonable request.

This^

And I'd also take a holiday of at least a week before the new project starts, making sure the contracts reflect that gap in dates too.

[kaiser78]

Thanks for the responses.

A permie would move from project to project as directed by his employer with no job spec and no change to his contract.. and have very little choice about it.

You need to make it as clear as possible none of those factors apply to you. I would try and go further than change the schedule and ask the client to give notice on the old contract as the work and so the contract has ended and supply you with a new contract for the next piece of work.

Your client appears to respect your work and value so a new piece of paperwork doesn't seem an unreasonable request. How they will take the rate rise you insist on is another matter

Good idea, I will ask the agent to arrange for the notice advice and issue a new contract.
Re. rate, I will see how the land lies before jumping in with two feet...

This^

And I'd also take a holiday of at least a week before the new project starts, making sure the contracts reflect that gap in dates too.

Problem here is that I have just come back from a 1 week hol (did I mention I was going to Dubai over Easter ? ), which should justify why I have moved straight from one contract to the other.

[kingcook]

Re. rate, I will see how the land lies before jumping in with two feet...

I'd steer clear of a rate raise. You want this new contract to help with your IR35 status. Don't p155 the client off by making them think this is all about more money.

[BolshieBastard]

A permie would move from project to project as directed by his employer with no job spec and no change to his contract.. and have very little choice about it.

You need to make it as clear as possible none of those factors apply to you. I would try and go further than change the schedule and ask the client to give notice on the old contract as the work and so the contract has ended and supply you with a new contract for the next piece of work.

Your client appears to respect your work and value so a new piece of paperwork doesn't seem an unreasonable request. How they will take the rate rise you insist on is another matter

Yep agree. Moving from project to project smacks of being part and parcel of the client's organisation and D&C.

[cojak]

I leave the client when asked to move projects, so doing more than just changing the schedule makes sense to me if you want to stay.

[northernladuk]

I wouldn't make a habit of this though, one or two changes maybe but much more than that I am not sure how can defend yourself against the argument you are part and parcel of the organisation. I am sure it is possible, the big companies like Accenture et al shift about projects for years once they have gotten their teeth in so it is a valid business model but they are not under the scrutiny we are.

[GB9]

I am sure it is possible, the big companies like Accenture et al shift about projects for years once they have gotten their teeth in so it is a valid business model but they are not under the scrutiny we are.

And therein lies the root of our problem. In the eyes of HMRC we are employees - prove otherwise.

Doing a good job and as a result, winning more work with the same client is what any good consultant would be expected to do. Its how businesses grow. However, because of the ridiculous approach HMRC takes, we are expected to demonstrate we are real businesses whilst not being able to act as such.