Client doesn't have to offer you work, say what?

[JoeyD]

This is not true in practice. I know contractors who provide professional services to multiple clients. Their contracts are for supplying a set number of mandays of work over the contract term (eg a commitment to provide 60 mandays of professional services over a 6 month period). If the client does not utilise all mandays, they still pay for the unused mandays at the end of the contract term.

That's because you're talking about proper professional business contracts. Most of the people advising above have no knowledge of working in that context, so really don't know tulip from tulipola.

HTH. BIDI.

[GB9]

Possibly but I would be quite happy to make sure that clause is in my contract so I can attempt to defend myself in an IR35 investigation. I am quite comfortable shouldering this risk as it seems to happen so infrequently.

What would you expect if the project got canned halfway through? Them to give you some other work to do i.e. D&C? What would you do over xmas shut down periods? Bill them anyway? It can cause as many problems as it may fix IMO

Several projects I have worked on have been canned and I have been given notice accordingly. However, I have never had any experience of turning up and being told 'no work' on a specific day but come back tomorrow. Not sure what I would say if that happened.

Being given notice in accordance with the contract when there is no work seems a correct example of no MOO (as compared to a permie who would be expected to be reassigned somewhere else). Being tiold if you are getting work on a day to day basis seems to be taking the pee.

[northernladuk]

Several projects I have worked on have been canned and I have been given notice accordingly. However, I have never had any experience of turning up and being told 'no work' on a specific day but come back tomorrow. Not sure what I would say if that happened.

Being given notice in accordance with the contract when there is no work seems a correct example of no MOO (as compared to a permie who would be expected to be reassigned somewhere else). Being tiold if you are getting work on a day to day basis seems to be taking the pee.

It does and you have to be realistic here. That doesn't really happen. The only time this seems to come in to play is when the client wants to shut down over a period, say Christmas or change freeze periods and when during notice periods.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Possibly but I would be quite happy to make sure that clause is in my contract so I can attempt to defend myself in an IR35 investigation. I am quite comfortable shouldering this risk as it seems to happen so infrequently.

What would you expect if the project got canned halfway through? Them to give you some other work to do i.e. D&C? What would you do over xmas shut down periods? Bill them anyway? It can cause as many problems as it may fix IMO

I agree with you completely there.

My original question was about people saying "it is so" when the truth is "if a certain situation pertains, it is so".

[SueEllen]

Several projects I have worked on have been canned and I have been given notice accordingly. However, I have never had any experience of turning up and being told 'no work' on a specific day but come back tomorrow. Not sure what I would say if that happened.

I've been on a few projects that due to certain events i.e. someone else's f*** up I've pointed out there is little point coming in for a few days to a week.

In theory that could be "there is no work come back tomorrow" but as I tend to manage my own work load it's up to me to point out to the client that if I come in it's a waste of their money. So far that approach has lead me to have extensions with more than one client.

[northernladuk]

I agree with you completely there.

My original question was about people saying "it is so" when the truth is "if a certain situation pertains, it is so".

Have to pass on that. I don't want it to be so whether the contract says or not. I have enough trouble looking like a business without taking a shotgun to my left foot. Someone else can have a go at that one.

[psychocandy]

It does and you have to be realistic here. That doesn't really happen. The only time this seems to come in to play is when the client wants to shut down over a period, say Christmas or change freeze periods and when during notice periods.

This is true. Not sure how valid it would be if you rocked up on site only to be told to go home. I would bill for this....

[malvolio]

This is true. Not sure how valid it would be if you rocked up on site only to be told to go home. I would bill for this....

You really haven't been listening, have you...

[MrMarkyMark]

This is true. Not sure how valid it would be if you rocked up on site only to be told to go home. I would bill for this....

Maybe it's because I have been self employed in other industries in the past, maybe its because I have been contracting too long, but you expect to be paid for what, exactly?
I'll supply a scenario to illustrate, project worth a lot of money / equity loss, started just 2 weeks ago, with 7 other guys. Realised from the 20 minute "interview" this was gonna be a real toughy. Thought I might get a month out of it. Yesterday, 5 guys gone, who were on 3 month contracts. Me and another guy have the re-design and an up in rate for our new contracts for the next 6 months.
That's real contracting for you......

[BolshieBastard]

I really cant believe someone who purports to be a contractor can seriously posts what the OP did.

As NLUK has frequently said, these types are watering down what contracting is and making it more and more difficult for us 'proper' contractors to get clients \ agencies to treat us as businesses and not disguised employees.

Truely disgraceful.