HAYS contracts

[northernladuk]

Hays also do a 'consultancy' arm where they employe a number of guys and put them on site. They did it at Barclays. They just make more money out of the client by you being subcontracted to them through Hays rather than a true Ltd->Agent-> Client route.

What you have to watch out is that alothough Hays pay the bench time any more than a month and they will get rid. I am sure if you wanted an employment expert to look at the set up it would be riddled with holes but there you go.

Are you sure you have read and understood your situation properly???

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Long time contractor - first time poster here.

I've just been sent through a copy of Hays' PSCToASR_1011 to sign for a new contract - but it's ringing very very loud alarm bells to me. I've tried to ask the agent some questions around it and his response was:

"Since you are essentially being employed by ourselves, you must adhere to our compliance regulations."

I'm just amazed at how blatant the disregard of IR35 is!

The contract is completely generic - and when I asked for the written confirmation of rate, hours, length of contract, etc... I was told that it would be in the Assignment Confirmation Letter which I'd get after everything was signed! (Not to mention that an "Assignment Confirmation Letter" in itself sounds dodgy IR35-wise).

Sorry, but I'm just gobsmacked at just how they can get away with this! I've never seen anything like it. I'm assuming, based on past comments on here, that Hays are totally inflexible. I think I'm going to have to regretfully pass on this one!

Are you sure that you have the right contract? It sounds as though you have been given a temp rather than contractor contract - have they asked for your Ltd/Umbrella co details?

[Loz]

Are you sure that you have the right contract? It sounds as though you have been given a temp rather than contractor contract - have they asked for your Ltd/Umbrella co details?

That's exactly what I thought too - so I checked! And yes - they have advised that these are the correct documents. The title is "Terms of Assignment of Consultants via a Limited Company Contractor and Self Billing Agreement", so that also seems to indicate it's the right one. It's just really poor!

[Loz]

Hays also do a 'consultancy' arm where they employe a number of guys and put them on site. They did it at Barclays. They just make more money out of the client by you being subcontracted to them through Hays rather than a true Ltd->Agent-> Client route.

What you have to watch out is that alothough Hays pay the bench time any more than a month and they will get rid. I am sure if you wanted an employment expert to look at the set up it would be riddled with holes but there you go.

Are you sure you have read and understood your situation properly???

Yup - I'm pretty sure. It's not through Hays as a subcontracted arrangement - I was advised at the interview that they are merely meant to be the payroll provider. (I've done subcontracted work in the past through Logica, so I know the difference).

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Yup - I'm pretty sure. It's not through Hays as a subcontracted arrangement - I was advised at the interview that they are merely meant to be the payroll provider. (I've done subcontracted work in the past through Logica, so I know the difference).

Payroll provider suggests consultancy rather than contractor - I would not expect a purchase ledger invoice i.e. from your Ltd Co to them to be processed by the payroll dept.

[Loz]

Payroll provider suggests consultancy rather than contractor - I would not expect a purchase ledger invoice i.e. from your Ltd Co to them to be processed by the payroll dept.

The payroll aspect was said by the manager - a permie at the company I would be working at (not Hays) - so I think it was merely his use of terminology.

Also, to clarify - I applied for the role through an advert on LinkedIn, directly with the client themselves (again not Hays). The interview was set up through the client's HR dept.

It's an unusual set-up, that's for sure!

[quackhandle]

I have the same pdf, however this is standard contractor --> hays --> end client model.

The wording is a bit odd, tbh I'd just get QDos to have a butchers at it.

BTW, anyone know Hays usual payment terms?

qh

[BolshieBastard]

I have the same pdf, however this is standard contractor --> hays --> end client model.

The wording is a bit odd, tbh I'd just get QDos to have a butchers at it.

BTW, anyone know Hays usual payment terms?

qh

Havent worked through them for some time. Last time was 4 weekly IIRC.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I have the same pdf, however this is standard contractor --> hays --> end client model.

The wording is a bit odd, tbh I'd just get QDos to have a butchers at it.

BTW, anyone know Hays usual payment terms?

qh

Currently with HAYS, the best thing about them is payment - on time every Friday.

[Bumfluff]

Currently with HAYS, the best thing about them is payment - on time every Friday.

Yeah but they might also email out your daily rate to all other contractors as they did at RBS, then promise they will tell the people on the list, only for them not to tell them and find out from other people who had seen there rates that they were on the list.

I worked with Hays once, never again, ok they have a weekly pay cycle but apart from that they were rubbish when I dealt with them. Hays contract is very IR35 unfriendly as well one of the worst Ive seen and you will really have to kick up a fuss to get them to change it and I mean a real fuss. Not a contractor friendly agent imo.