An Agency not putting me forward for 2 Roles

[The Agents View]

I prefer the direct approach when dealing with those of a smaller mind.....

[MaryPoppins]

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This is the difference between a consultant, and an agent.

Unfortunately, contractors are a little closed minded - so changing my sign in to "the consultants view" would have me percieved as an Accenture/KPMG/PWC promise the world, deliver nothing type individual......

But you're doing such a good job winning us round!

Rest assured though, you are certainly perceived as a promise the world, deliver nothing type.

[The Agents View]

Right now I'd settle for that

In which case you have more time.

Why don't you just try the in-depth approach for one role, and see where it gets you. If it goes wrong - then fair enough - but just try it, and see how much better you feel for knowing every eventuality, and being able to back up your thoughts with those of someone with whom the client relates - it's a whole different world.

[DodgyAgent]

In which case you have more time.

Why don't you just try the in-depth approach for one role, and see where it gets you. If it goes wrong - then fair enough - but just try it, and see how much better you feel for knowing every eventuality, and being able to back up your thoughts with those of someone with whom the client relates - it's a whole different world.

Give me one of your roles and see how I go

[cojak]

I really don't understand you TAV.

You say the right things for a consultancy approach until it comes to phishing; an old-style tactic when it appears that you're quite happy to ruin potential relationships for a few names that you say you could get anyway.

Not sure that I follow your line of reasoning..

[The Agents View]

I really don't understand you TAV.

You say the right things for a consultancy approach until it comes to phishing; an old-style tactic when it appears that you're quite happy to ruin potential relationships for a few names that you say you could get anyway.

Not sure that I follow your line of reasoning..

How is this hard to comprehend?

Alot of the time, I won't know who you've worked for. I want the opinion of that person in order to add to the sales pitch - back up my thoughts as it were.

Now all I'm saying, is that it's not entirely one sided - I will always ask what people think of my approach, and whether it would be of use to them to be in touch with someone who works like that - sometimes they've been waiting for someone like that for a while - more often than not, it's not the right time - but one should always take the opportunity to ask. I'll always tell anyone that I take a referee's details from, that this is what I am going to do.

What I would say, is that my market space is small, so alot of the time, I either know, or know of the people I am taking references from - but not always.

Ultimately it's a case of what the intention is though. If my intention was just to cold call people pitching for business, then all I'm saying is that there are easier ways. Given that my agenda is first and foremost to help YOU get the job you want, I don't actually think it's a negative in any way.

As for PSL's - largely irrelevant - i've been a contractor, consultancy, sub-contractor, ad-hoc recruitment company, business to business supplier - all sorts - PSL's are procurements way of making it harder for people to do business that adds value - it's there to keep them in a job - it means two tenths of sod all!

[JimBobTwoTeeth]

What I would say, is that my market space is small

What is your market space?

[DodgyAgent]

What is your market space?

brain surgery

[DodgyAgent]

How is this hard to comprehend?

Alot of the time, I won't know who you've worked for. I want the opinion of that person in order to add to the sales pitch - back up my thoughts as it were.

Now all I'm saying, is that it's not entirely one sided - I will always ask what people think of my approach, and whether it would be of use to them to be in touch with someone who works like that - sometimes they've been waiting for someone like that for a while - more often than not, it's not the right time - but one should always take the opportunity to ask. I'll always tell anyone that I take a referee's details from, that this is what I am going to do.

What I would say, is that my market space is small, so alot of the time, I either know, or know of the people I am taking references from - but not always.

Ultimately it's a case of what the intention is though. If my intention was just to cold call people pitching for business, then all I'm saying is that there are easier ways. Given that my agenda is first and foremost to help YOU get the job you want, I don't actually think it's a negative in any way.

As for PSL's - largely irrelevant - i've been a contractor, consultancy, sub-contractor, ad-hoc recruitment company, business to business supplier - all sorts - PSL's are procurements way of making it harder for people to do business that adds value - it's there to keep them in a job - it means two tenths of sod all!

PSLs are in place to make it easier for companies to hie the contractors they need. They may not be perfect but when the alternative is for hiring managers having to indulge windbags like you one can see why companies use them.

PSLs sometimes create internal self serving monopolies and occassionally they become a safe haven for put upon internal resourcers, but they are there for no other reason than clients want them. For you to sneer at them because they do not suit the way you work is sheer arrogance (though probably stupidity). If the client has a need for your particular services then it is up to you to work around or within the PSL. If your services are THAT valuable then I am sure that clients will accommodate you-- I suspect however that you are pretty useless

[The Agents View]

What is your market space?

I could tell you - but then I'd have to kill you....