Agile Scrum over Prince 2

[wantacontract]

Hello guys, after intensely job hunting for the last month and a half....there is more demand for scrum PM then prince 2 PM....looks like agile is more in demand so far...

[TykeMerc]

Hello guys, after intensely job hunting for the last month and a half....there is more demand for scrum PM then prince 2 PM....looks like agile is more in demand so far...

Are you actually a PM?

Prince2 is a generic methodology that can be applied to projects of absolutely any type IT or otherwise. Prince2 is arguably just some language and buzzwords applied to what's common sense Project Management.

Scrum is an "agile" software development approach.

They aren't in any way mutually exclusive and I'd expect the PM of a scrum development to have at least a brief knowledge of Prince2 even if they don't know the terms.

[malvolio]

They are not interchangeable. Agile/SCRUM works providing someone somewhere has worked out what you're trying to deliver - and that needs Prince or something like it.

As for Agile or Scrum, well which is better, I don't really know. There's only one way to find out....

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Sorry, formal PM getting a bit carried away there...

[ratewhore]

Hello guys, after intensely job hunting for the last month and a half....there is more demand for scrum PM then prince 2 PM....looks like agile is more in demand so far...

Can you put the numbers in there to set a bit of context? i.e. are there 2 scrum roles v 1 PRINCE role?

[thunderlizard]

Scrum has self-managing teams & nothing for a PM to do.
PrInCE2 requires the PM to write loads of reports.
So be a Scrum PM and you need never lift a finger again!

[nomadd]

Scrum has self-managing teams & nothing for a PM to do.

True, and that's just the sort of project I'm on right now. And it's a mess - loonies running the asylum.

God how I miss a good PM. No project should be without one. Seriously.

[BolshieBastard]

AGILE = running a project on the fly. In other words, anything goes when it suits.

[wantacontract]

Are you actually a PM?

Prince2 is a generic methodology that can be applied to projects of absolutely any type IT or otherwise. Prince2 is arguably just some language and buzzwords applied to what's common sense Project Management.

Scrum is an "agile" software development approach.

They aren't in any way mutually exclusive and I'd expect the PM of a scrum development to have at least a brief knowledge of Prince2 even if they don't know the terms.

whatever, feel free to quote reams of words at me, but out there the pimps are looking for :

http://www.jobserve.com/ScrumMaster-...2C1EA11B.jsjob

whilst technically you are correct, what I was trying to say there are more work for the old scrum masters then there are for the prince 2 qualified PMs....

[wantacontract]

Can you put the numbers in there to set a bit of context? i.e. are there 2 scrum roles v 1 PRINCE role?

about 10-1 I reckon...

[NickFitz]

Scrum has self-managing teams & nothing for a PM to do.

AGILE = running a project on the fly. In other words, anything goes when it suits.

Utter nonsense. I've worked in agile teams using scrum, and proper project management is an essential component, as with any project. You clearly have absolutely no understanding of what you're talking about - either that, or you only have knowledge of badly-run projects where buzzwords have been favoured over professionalism. That may, for all I know, be commonplace in the government and financial sectors, but in places less insulated from the real world we do things properly.

Given that agile and scrum are to do with development rather than project management, your assertions are akin to saying that electrical can-openers are bad because (by some unspecified mechanism) they allow canning plants to be operated inefficiently.

Agile/SCRUM works providing someone somewhere has worked out what you're trying to deliver - and that needs Prince or something like it.

Exactly. (Except scrum isn't an acronym - no need to shout.)