RBS has government's blessing to transfer jobs to India

[HairyArsedBloke]

It's too late. Not only has this government given it's blessing to the destruction of British jobs at RBS, it destroys public sector jobs by outsourcing those operations directly to overseas (not even trying to get UK private sector to help).

At the same time as it destroys the employment opportunities of it citizens (and the tax revenues it brings), it attacks those that have been victims of it actions. I believe that this is going to end up with serious violence soon.

[ParryBrookes]

I think the world is getting closer and closer.. communication channels are much more sophisticated..

Even all non-subcontinent giant software vendors (IBM, EDS, Accenture,CapGemini etc) have massive development centres in India.. You can hardly have any control over them!

so number of opportunities are likely to decline and so the rates.. Usually all Analysis, architecture and high level work is done onsite with the help of local resources and all labour work of development and coding is carried out in subcontinents at very very cheaper rates by providing all possible specifications..
Its very difficult to keep a tap on such strategy..

[HairyArsedBloke]

Usually all Analysis, architecture and high level work is done onsite with the help of local resources and all labour work of development and coding is carried out in subcontinents at very very cheaper rates by providing all possible ..

If that it was the case then there would be the possibility of adaptation to that market. However, it is not so; the overseas work force is shipped here and the local resources disposed of.

[ParryBrookes]

If that it was the case then there would be the possibility of adaptation to that market. However, it is not so; the overseas work force is shipped here and the local resources disposed of.

I am not going to add anymore value in this discussion by saying that its all about cost.. but still would like to get into details of how it works because I know how it works..

an experienced/sufficiently productive programmer is paid take-home salary of around £600-700 per/month in subcontinent (considering currency exchange rate).. and thats considered as high and respectable salary there.. The same set of people is brought here, of course in place of local contractors, and they are paid take home salary between £1700-2000 per/month and for this salary any starter can work day-night.

Everyone out here knows that support or maintenance job is no rocket science.. If you think practically, there is loads of savings involved and clients dont hesitate to take them because they arent doing anything illegal..

All I am talking here is about technical skillsets.. As long as Business Analysts or functional experts are concerned, they are irreplacable by other workforce..

if our fellow programmer contractors find it below dignity to accept anything below £400-500, then things are going to get more and more difficult in future because number of opportunities are likely to erode..
Developed countries like Japan dont face such crisis because they themselves work 12-14 hours a day which even not possible for any overseas worker..

IT technology or infrastructure is not something which is exclusive to britain or anyother developed country.. its global.. it can be setup and learnt anywhere in the world.. For example, Local truck drivers cant be replaced by overseas labour because their countries doesnt have such sophisticated roads or even trucks..

The way hardware cost comes downs, the same applies to software development too.. So till the time any strict measures are taken by govt or whoever, if you cant beat them.. better join them.. thats the bitter truth and situation mates..

[malvolio]

Having used offshore resources, courtesy of one of the bigger and better Indian companies, to deliver developement programmes in this country, can I say that you're wrong. The work is not of comparable standard, it would frequently be a new piece of code rather than an amendment, it takes longer to deliver and is usually poorly documented (to be precise, lots of documentation, most of it unusable). For one example, getting a simple Notes script update took three weeks, and I had to rewrite and re-test the delivery instructions so the average business user could follow them. Costing that work at my rates wiped out the benefit of getting it done offshore. There are many other similar examples, that wasn't a one-off.

The cost of developement is not only about programming fees. More and more UK companies are beginning to twig that current offshore providers are ultimately more expensive. When you get the quality of delivery up then fine, but IME it's all about stretching the requirement, generating more work (often unnecessarily) and all about raisingincome, not service delivery.

[Sysman]

Insane.

The French have always adopted a more protectionist and interventionist policy than we have and their economy is in far better shape, more diverse and with a real manufacturing base. In Peugot-Citroen they have one of the strongest and most profitable car companies.

There is a big difference between propping up industries like Leyland without insisting on reform simply because of union power and protecting/investing in key national industries. Global trade policies are a nonsense, emerging countries like India and China always find reasons to avoid equitable conditions. We need bi partisan deals on a country by country basis.

Above all, we need a nationalist government that puts the UK and British citizens first.

And the Yanks aren't scared of protectionism either:

U.S. Adds Punitive Tariffs on Chinese Tires

[ParryBrookes]

Malvolio, I agree with you.

May be thats the reason why clients, instead of offshoring work, trying the option of importing resources and executing projects in their own presence to have a direct control over the quality.. This is just a guess though...

[George Parr]

The work is not of comparable standard, it would frequently be a new piece of code rather than an amendment, it takes longer to deliver and is usually poorly documented

Yes but they will get better as they gain in experience. A bit more time and they will be as good as the next man. The government must act now before it is too late and we lose yet another industry.

The RBS story in the OP should have been headline news. FFS as tax payers we are paying for our jobs to be exported. As someone has already said, can you imagine the French standing for that? Compare with what the Germans have just done to secure their former GM car plants while Turdy Brown lets ours head for closure. Are we the most apathetic nation on Earth?

[HairyArsedBloke]

Are we the most apathetic nation on Earth?

betrayed

[Sailaway]

Does anyone know if this has been entered on the 10 downing street petitions site with a view to gaining signatures against it ?