RBS has government's blessing to transfer jobs to India

[xoggoth]

Insane.

The French have always adopted a more protectionist and interventionist policy than we have and their economy is in far better shape, more diverse and with a real manufacturing base. In Peugot-Citroen they have one of the strongest and most profitable car companies.

There is a big difference between propping up industries like Leyland without insisting on reform simply because of union power and protecting/investing in key national industries. Global trade policies are a nonsense, emerging countries like India and China always find reasons to avoid equitable conditions. We need bi partisan deals on a country by country basis.

Above all, we need a nationalist government that puts the UK and British citizens first.

[PM-Junkie]

Insane.

The French have always adopted a more protectionist and interventionist policy than we have and their economy is in far better shape, more diverse and with a real manufacturing base. In Peugot-Citroen they have one of the strongest and most profitable car companies.

There is a big difference between propping up industries like Leyland without insisting on reform simply because of union power and protecting/investing in key national industries. Global trade policies are a nonsense, emerging countries like India and China always find reasons to avoid equitable conditions. We need bi partisan deals on a country by country basis.

[b]We need a nationalist government that puts the UK and British citizens first.[/]

No no, you don't understand. Under the Bliar/Brown/Mendlebum mantra we are all Europeans, we are not British.

[minestrone]

The majority of my gigs are off the back of the Edinburgh financial circuit and it's getting tougher each time I look for work. With RBS and LLoyds/HBOS shifting thousands of jobs across to bob land then it's a real bloody worry. I used to be able to play clients off each other, demand a top rate, now I just have to take the first gig coming.

[krytonsheep]

RBS and LLoyds/HBOS shifting thousands of jobs ...

I've never seen offshoring work long term, so do you think they'll come back to the UK after a while?

[HairyArsedBloke]

I never seen offshoring work long term, so do you think they'll come back to the UK after a while?

No

[minestrone]

I've never seen offshoring work long term, so do you think they'll come back to the UK after a while?

Can't see it.

[sweetandsour]

My point is that it is bad for the economy overall if jobs are outsourced for short term gain, as the spending power of that cash is lost from the economy.

Not completely because somebody is now spending less cash on a service that they used to pay a British worker for so they have more cash to allocate to other things.

I presume that you have a TV set? Would you be prepared to pay a month's earnings* for a British built one like your parents did?

My challenge is to question why IT folk think that they are so special that the things that happened to coal-miners and ship-builders in previous decades shouldn't apply to them.

*That is an estimate from memory, I don't have the precise figures.

Used to believe that to, but these days not so sure.

So much industry and thus jobs have gone over sea's that I think we are starting to (or already have) go past the tipping point where lower costs to business is no longer a clear cut case of "good for the economy". We are heading back towards higher unemployment permantly and those who are employed are in an ever decreasing number of sectors (mainly services these days), thus more vulnerable to economic turmoil

Because at the end of day what good are lower costs if no one can afford them because no one has a job?

I seem to recall that the very same points were made about the loss of all the other industries in previous decades.

Adapting is critical, which didn't seem so bad when it was other people that had to do it but rather depressing when it applies to yourself.

[minestrone]

I see it all as history repeating itself. Glasgow used to buld a 1/3 of the world's ships and everyone laughed when the koreans were coming up the clyde in rowing boats with massive zoom lenses on their cameras trying to work out how to build a ship. No one was laughing when the Koreans stole all the business and the British yards all closed.

My major worry is not the jobs but the training, hardly any graduate jobs going these days and RBS/LLoyds/BT are effectively training a foreign workforce. The goverment is creating a skills shortage for future generations.

About 40% of the people I know in IT were trained by a company that now offshores.

[GreenerGrass]

Of course we've known for years that Labour are vermin that would suffocate our own children and steal their pocket money if it would benefit another country, but how much longer can the Unions continue to fund and support the Labour party? There must be a tipping point soon as offshoring and onshoring effect permies who are union members.
These idiots have been paying union subs which ultimately support a New Labour government which is destroying their own jobs and their children's future.

[sweetandsour]

Of course we've known for years that Labour are vermin that would suffocate our own children and steal their pocket money if it would benefit another country

I don't like them but even I would not accuse them of that.

These idiots have been paying union subs which ultimately support a New Labour government which is destroying their own jobs and their children's future.

Ultimately the Unions make the weak collectively not as weak as they are on their own, that is not necessarily a bad thing.

On the one hand I am minded to think that they have served their purpose to some degree but on the other hand I am not sure that they have a role in the future.