Clients demanding permie working hours

[Fred Bloggs]

No, Arctic didn't fail for that reason, but the Dragonfly case failed because of what a numpty at the AA said. And that means it doesn't really matter what your contract says or what your working arrangements were any more. You're an IR35 fail on the say so of some numpty you never even met while you were at the client up to 7 years earlier.

That's why Dragonfly is such a dangerous case to lose.

[blacjac]

But arctic didnt fail for that reason!

No, Arctic didn't fail for that reason, but the Dragonfly case failed because of what a numpty at the AA said. And that means it doesn't really matter what your contract says or what your working arrangements were any more. You're an IR35 fail on the say so of some numpty you never even met while you were at the client up to 7 years earlier.

That's why Dragonfly is such a dangerous case to lose.

Sorry, I mean't Dragonfly, Arctic was income sharing wasn't it?

[Fred Bloggs]

Sorry, I mean't Dragonfly, Arctic was income sharing wasn't it?

Yep!

[blacjac]

Yep!

[NickFitz]

I mean things like holiday request forms

My current ClientOrg has a leave request system which I have to use as the meat-based components of their management systems fall apart otherwise. (The request system is written in ASP.NET and so usually manages to fall apart anyway, but that's a different matter.)

When I went into it the other day to book time off for a conference in a few weeks, I was pleased to see that certain irrelevant options bore the legend Disabled (Reason: Contractor)

[BrowneIssue]

When I went into it the other day to book time off for a conference in a few weeks, I was pleased to see that certain irrelevant options bore the legend Disabled (Reason: Contractor)

At one MoD site I was at they put "Consultant" after your name in the network login full name and email full name. That was nice.

At an asset management company they put "(temp)" after your name on everything. That was less nice.

[GardenGirl]

If its a support job then the lunch will be about making sure there is enough cover, if its any other type of job I don't see what difference it makes but it might be they have had bad experience with people taking the p for lunches and hours of works so now they have fixed it.

Does sound like a manager on a power trip to me

[Sausage Surprise]

When I was contracting there circa 1996, for the permies it was 9:45 to 16:00 Mon to Thu and 10:00 to 11:50 on Friday.

Still is...

[draxenato]

If its a support job then the lunch will be about making sure there is enough cover, if its any other type of job I don't see what difference it makes but it might be they have had bad experience with people taking the p for lunches and hours of works so now they have fixed it.

Does sound like a manager on a power trip to me

Well I can sorta see their point. I'm working in a small team of two permies and four contactors, we all have very distinct roles in our project, there's not much overlap in terms of skills and experience. We're also free to take our lunch breaks when we want, but that can (and usually does) end up with us losing over two hours of productivity per day.
I end up twiddling my thumbs coz I can't make any progress without the assistance of a colleague who's on break, then when I go out someone else is waiting on me. So on and so forth. So yeah I can see the point of it.

[foggo]

The standard day when I was at BT was 7h 24m.

Did you spend 2:46.55 on hold?