Inspired Recruitment - experiences

[NotAllThere]

Yeah, Clients gonna been amazed when you tell him she's got a dog called Rover ...

Seems like they were seeing as she's been offered on gig, and is to be offered the second.

You really should read to the end.

[NickNick]

Sounds like more agent bull. Poor lass, If she was so good she would not need your helping hand.

I beg to differ, I hardly know of any contractors who don't go through an angency.

[Sausage Surprise]

Times are clearly tough for some - I don't even pick up the phone for less than a 22% MARGIN - not markup. I do however do a whole lot more than "just place a body" to justify that.

A success story for you all. Was recommended to meet a contractor about a month ago - when I met with her, I was blown away by her story, and her clear ability. Having spent two hours chatting about what was what, I had a fairly good understanding of what she does, how she does it, her strengths, weaknesses, likes, dislikes and even the name of her dog!

This then moved to a full blown campaign of identifying target companies, speaking to key stakeholders to establish interest and collating an approach by email for those I struggled to contact. As a result of this, found her two opportunities - one of which she has been offered - the other she will be offered.

Now whilst I know that my 22% margin is comparatively high - the investment in this person, as well as at the client end to MAKE SURE she's the right person, referencing, background checking, strength of my network etc is what CLIENTS pay the margin for (you guys really should stop thinking that agencies are taking your money - they're actually being paid by the client).

Your thoughts on whether others are doing this for you would be appreciated, as I believe that when this is successful, it's the ONLY way recruitment should be done!!

Cheers
TAV

That was the funniest bit

[scooterscot]

Your thoughts on whether others are doing this for you would be appreciated, as I believe that when this is successful, it's the ONLY way recruitment should be done!!

Cheers
TAV

You know what TAV if only all agents were like you perhaps not all contractors would have such spite for them, myself included.

However that's rarely the case.

In your example you've invested time & energy to justify your 22% margin on the hourly/daily rate.

I do wonder how your effort compares to the time & energy of the last 10 years of skills I've acquired to allow me to do the job, which by proxy allows you to be handsomely rewarded.

I don't believe nearly a 1/4 of my earning potential that took nearly the last 10 years to acquire should go in the pockets of a matchmaker. But you are to be congratulated when you succeed you are indeed your own Mr Goodwin, you take advantage of opportunities for profit not partnership, like you might suggest [and like us all might I add].

A finders fee at best is justified but not constant lifting from my earnings, your kind are about to find yourselves, like the bankers, in a much more competitive market.

[conned tractor]

You know what TAV if only all agents were like you perhaps not all contractors would have such spite for them, myself included.

However that's rarely the case.

In your example you've invested time & energy to justify your 22% margin on the hourly/daily rate.

I do wonder how your effort compares to the time & energy of the last 10 years of skills I've acquired to allow me to do the job, which by proxy allows you to be handsomely rewarded.

I don't believe nearly a 1/4 of my earning potential that took nearly the last 10 years to acquire should go in the pockets of a matchmaker. But you are to be congratulated when you succeed you are indeed your own Mr Goodwin, you take advantage of opportunities for profit not partnership, like you might suggest [and like us all might I add].

A finders fee at best is justified but not constant lifting from my earnings, your kind are about to find yourselves, like the bankers, in a much more competitive market.

WHS + the Ph.D and first degree (yep those 9 years in eduacation on top of the experience) that you should be so handsomely rewarded for in the subject area that you will place me in.

[Grinder]

Times are clearly tough for some - I don't even pick up the phone for less than a 22% MARGIN - not markup. I do however do a whole lot more than "just place a body" to justify that.

A success story for you all. Was recommended to meet a contractor about a month ago - when I met with her, I was blown away by her story, and her clear ability. Having spent two hours chatting about what was what, I had a fairly good understanding of what she does, how she does it, her strengths, weaknesses, likes, dislikes and even the name of her dog!

This then moved to a full blown campaign of identifying target companies, speaking to key stakeholders to establish interest and collating an approach by email for those I struggled to contact. As a result of this, found her two opportunities - one of which she has been offered - the other she will be offered.

Now whilst I know that my 22% margin is comparatively high - the investment in this person, as well as at the client end to MAKE SURE she's the right person, referencing, background checking, strength of my network etc is what CLIENTS pay the margin for (you guys really should stop thinking that agencies are taking your money - they're actually being paid by the client).

Your thoughts on whether others are doing this for you would be appreciated, as I believe that when this is successful, it's the ONLY way recruitment should be done!!

Cheers
TAV

I'd be happy to pay 22% if it meant someone would find me work instead of this endless apply/null-response cycle. TAV how would you like a challenge?

[Turion]

Seems like they were seeing as she's been offered on gig, and is to be offered the second.

You really should read to the end.

And you should stop believing agents spout.

[Liability]

Times are clearly tough for some - I don't even pick up the phone for less than a 22% MARGIN - not markup. I do however do a whole lot more than "just place a body" to justify that.

A success story for you all. Was recommended to meet a contractor about a month ago - when I met with her, I was blown away by her story, and her clear ability. Having spent two hours chatting about what was what, I had a fairly good understanding of what she does, how she does it, her strengths, weaknesses, likes, dislikes and even the name of her dog!

This then moved to a full blown campaign of identifying target companies, speaking to key stakeholders to establish interest and collating an approach by email for those I struggled to contact. As a result of this, found her two opportunities - one of which she has been offered - the other she will be offered.

Now whilst I know that my 22% margin is comparatively high - the investment in this person, as well as at the client end to MAKE SURE she's the right person, referencing, background checking, strength of my network etc is what CLIENTS pay the margin for (you guys really should stop thinking that agencies are taking your money - they're actually being paid by the client).

Your thoughts on whether others are doing this for you would be appreciated, as I believe that when this is successful, it's the ONLY way recruitment should be done!!

Cheers
TAV

Lets cut to the chase and rephrase this

- she sounds nice on the phone
- you wanted to know if she was maybe fit?
- you probably angled at some stage for a leg over?
- if you play the helpful guy and she is fit - you never know

Noone in there right mind will and would pay 22%. You are not worth that.

[BrollyBonce]

Oh, FFS.

If you think 11% is high and 22% is outrageous, go and be yet another contractor that has set up an agency.

I've heard 'em, and seen 'em come and go. And lose the house. And the wife and kids.

If you think you can do better, go on then. Set up an agency. And find out just how much factoring costs and just how long it takes some clients to pay. And find out how to do marketing and sales.

The agents do an awful job. That's why they are awful people.

But, sadly, we need them. And it costs an amazing amount of money to keep an agency going because of the factoring.

[The Agents View]

I don't believe nearly a 1/4 of my earning potential that took nearly the last 10 years to acquire should go in the pockets of a matchmaker. But you are to be congratulated when you succeed you are indeed your own Mr Goodwin, you take advantage of opportunities for profit not partnership, like you might suggest [and like us all might I add].

A finders fee at best is justified but not constant lifting from my earnings, your kind are about to find yourselves, like the bankers, in a much more competitive market.

Who's taking your earning potential? Often the cost of having me engaged on a role is absorbed by the recruitment budget, not the project budget (that's not always the case obviously). I take the margin I take because I am good at what I do - don't get me wrong, I get offered all sorts in terms of margins, but I work with the ones who understand the effort that goes in to finding them the right person.

I also work with contractors as I would want to be worked with - Ie. If I work with you, you are my sole focus for a set period (obviously there has to be lines drawn, if I slog a dead horse for a month and it's the only thing I've done, my boss is going to want to know why!).

Personally I hope that this market gets ridiculously competitive, because I genuinely believe that the difference I make is tangiable - its the "bums on seats" type organisations who will struggle IMO.

Lets face it, contractors are generally useless at promoting themselves. I on the other hand, do this all day every day - I should be good at it by now!! Of course if you can get gigs on your own, you will - that's what you SHOULD be doing - when you can't get them, use someone who will bust a gut for you in order to get you a role - 78% of a day rate is still better than 100% of nothing. If you can't get yourself a gig, and no agency is prepared to bust a gut to get you a role, then maybe you're actually not a contractor anyway.

TAV

P.S. as for the education comment - this is an anonymous sign in name. You feel free to assume that I don't have a degree (first) and an MBA for as long as you wish - you'll only make yourself look like a pillock.

P.P.S. Education means nothing if you've no contract in which to apply it.