Contract hours

[skelm]

New gig been offered.

Has a clause for time stating 9-5 ( makes me feel like I'm employed )

Is it better to have hours/week rather than a 9-5??

Thanks

[rz6bm7]

New gig been offered.

Has a clause for time stating 9-5 ( makes me feel like I'm employed )

Is it better to have hours/week rather than a 9-5??

Thanks

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/leaflets/guide_limitcomp.htm

It's not good for IR35 status

[oracleslave]

New gig been offered.

Has a clause for time stating 9-5 ( makes me feel like I'm employed )

Is it better to have hours/week rather than a 9-5??

Thanks

AFAIK it's much better to have milestones and deliverable dates rather that hours/weeks. i.e. so XXXX must be delivered by YYYY rather than you must work ZZ hours per day.

[skelm]

AFAIK it's much better to have milestones and deliverable dates rather that hours/weeks. i.e. so XXXX must be delivered by YYYY rather than you must work ZZ hours per day.

Thought as much ..... problem I have is the numptie agencies don't seem to grasp this and everytime I tell them to insert deliverables rather than fixed timings they either don't understand what I am talking about or they of course don't know what end client wants ( as deliverables ).

The other issue being if its BAU work rather than Project work they get even more confused.

[original PM]

probably because end client needs a resource - they will have some specific items for you to do but also need some support with BAU stuff to take the pressure off their permies.

what is it you do anyway?

[skelm]

probably because end client needs a resource - they will have some specific items for you to do but also need some support with BAU stuff to take the pressure off their permies.

what is it you do anyway?

Does not help my cause though

Seems to happen quite often.

[TheVoice]

Avoid specific hours at all costs, they're a pain in the backside & look very much like an employee to Hector.

Make sure the agent & client are both clear that you are a business & therefore within reasonable negotiation you will be providing your services at time intervals which may vary. Obviously if you start getting stupid like wanting to work when the office is shut you'll get shot down, but there's no reason why you cant pick your own hours on a daily basis.

Project work - easy enough
BAU Work - I usually say I will attempt to attend site when required but for most BAU (I am Senior Wintel) I will be supporting the client remotely.

Usually a quick chat with the client about IR35 gets them motivated enough to tell the agency whats at stake

[skelm]

Avoid specific hours at all costs, they're a pain in the backside & look very much like an employee to Hector.

Make sure the agent & client are both clear that you are a business & therefore within reasonable negotiation you will be providing your services at time intervals which may vary. Obviously if you start getting stupid like wanting to work when the office is shut you'll get shot down, but there's no reason why you cant pick your own hours on a daily basis.

Project work - easy enough
BAU Work - I usually say I will attempt to attend site when required but for most BAU (I am Senior Wintel) I will be supporting the client remotely.

Usually a quick chat with the client about IR35 gets them motivated enough to tell the agency whats at stake

From my point of view I am not fussed about the time ( as in if I am needed at those hours then fine ) but I dont want it "written" into the contract as it seems as an employed scenario. I'd much rather "agree verbally" with client that the hours they require I shall work( even if it means 9-5 for example ) but the contract itself have something other than hours.

I cant seem to get that into the agencies head!

[original PM]

From my point of view I am not fussed about the time ( as in if I am needed at those hours then fine ) but I dont want it "written" into the contract as it seems as an employed scenario. I'd much rather "agree verbally" with client that the hours they require I shall work( even if it means 9-5 for example ) but the contract itself have something other than hours.

I cant seem to get that into the agencies head

Highly unlikely - if it is not written into the contract then you could refuse to do it regardless of any verbal agreements.

In addition the agency would not want this becuase it may mean you would work less hours and therefore they would make less money.

The reason I asked what it was you did was becuase then it would enable me to understand the scenario better - and hopefully advise you further.

[NotAllThere]

Get a legal opinion from suitably experienced lawyers whether the contract as a whole is fail, and if so, what points it fails on, rather than focus on one point that may or may not be significant.