where has all the work gone ?

[unemployed]

"Unfortunately on this occasion you have not been successful and we will not be progressing with your application. The feedback from the role is that they felt that you did not demonstrate the customer facing experience required for the position.



They also said that you did not demonstrate enthusiasm or excitement for the role, more the organisation."

feedback from interview last week.

what a load of bollocks i chased after this job for 3 weeks to get an interview, does this not show enthusiasm ?

also been customer facing for 10 years.

starting to hate these ***king people.

[malvolio]

I got bounced not so long ago for the CV not demonstrating sufficient "influencing skills"...

I'm still not sure even how you can demonstrate them - "I successfully persuaded the line management to pay for lunch for the team every other Tuesday" perhaps? Or even "I managed to seduce all seven of the Board's PAs" ???

Save me from middle managers everwhere!

[unemployed]

Unhelpful feedback is often just a list of ready made excuses the hiring manager or HR pluck out of thin air to excuse themselves from having to reveal the real reasons or to avoid not giving feedback at all when asked for it. It's not usually there to assist you understand your interview weaknesses that might help you get the next job. Often feedback is couched in jargon or ephemisms that doesn't explain anything at all, much less help you.

If you don't get feedback at all (which is what happens most of the time), the only real feedback that is worth taking notice of is feedback you believe reflects the truth of how you felt the interview went. If they can't or won't tell you what you already suspected was the case, you can bet that the real reason is that your face simply didn't fit not what they say was the reason. This acccounts for 99 per cent why you won't have got a job you know and are qualified to do but it's also the reason that no hirer will openly admit to, unless couched in euphemism (bad cultural fit is a good one etc.) as it makes the hirer look petty with his priorities in the wrong place (which, of course, they are).

Anything that smacks of an insult to your intelligence or past experience that you know doesn't ring true, is just some HR person taking perverse pleasure in playing petty power games, at your expense. Perhaps by not finding someone suitable, they are getting it in the neck from someone more senior than them too, so they're just taking it out on you via the EB or directly by giving false feedback. Funny how their comments always seems to say something about you that could prejudice an EB or direct client from considering you for other roles too - something potentially character damaging. Luckily, this tactic very often fails as this reflects badly on the EB too, who definitely doesn't want to view themselves as bad judges of those they put forward for roles. The worst example of this is when the feedback says something that you know is blatently a lie or reveals they haven't even bothered to read your CV properly.

Unfortunatly, the world is full of game players, you just have to ignore them.

tbh i have had enough of playing games with agencies and companies HR departments.

i just want a decent job where i can gain some new skills, get a decent wage, and not have to kiss ass to get it in the first place.

the longer this goes on the harder it is for me to cover up a year out of work.

[tino]

tbh i have had enough of playing games with agencies and companies HR departments.

i just want a decent job where i can gain some new skills, get a decent wage, and not have to kiss ass to get it in the first place.

the longer this goes on the harder it is for me to cover up a year out of work.

Why are you so dismissive of the £20 per hour roles?? Surely to god it's better than being on the dole

[bestroute]

I hope you don't mind my stick an oar in here, but I read this thread and might be able to offer some constructive comments. As well as having experience as a contractor, I also have a bit of experience of employing people (actually, more than a bit).

"Unemployed" - you come across as someone who is miserable, bored, apathetic and disinterested about the line of work you are in (by your own admission), and who basically thinks the world owes you a living. Not a good impression to create if you are looking for a job. A few pointers which may help:

1. Sending 200-300 CV's out is frankly, stupid. A CV should be tailored for the job and/or company you are applying for (trust me, it is very easy to spot when someone has bothered to make the effort); and a CV should ALWAYS accompanied by a very professional covering letter. If a CV arrrives on my desk without one, or that is clearly a bog-standard CV, it goes straight in the bin. It shows a lack of attention to detail....hardly a useful quality in a support person.

2. Your postings here show a disregard for the people reading your posts. Communication comes with standard practices to allow your readers to understand you.....punctuation, grammar, capital letters etc. By not adopting those norms, you show your apathy and I would strongly urge you to lose that because it WILL come across either in your written or verbal communications with propsective employers or their agents. Perhaps here would seem a good place to get into the habit? Certainly people may be more willing to help you if you make the effort with them? It's just a thought.

3. Like it or not, you are a commodity. Your CV and your attitude should all about what you can offer. Your CV should say "this is me, and this is what I can do for your company, and this is what I have done for other companies". Don't just focus on the hardware and software you have used....they are just tools that pretty much everyone can put on their CV. Tell the company what YOU can do for THEM (hence tailored CV's and covering letters).

4. Enthusiasm and confidence is everything. I have to say that the way you come accross, I wouldn't touch you with a barge pole.

I hope it helps.

[SallyAnne]

I hope it helps.

Yeah, course you do!

[bestroute]

Yeah, course you do!

Charming.

Well I can see I am not wanted here. Sorry I bothered.

[mictech]

Like we all have time to taylor our CV's for all the contract postions we apply for, you are getting contractors who are there to do a job and you need to make sure they have the right tool set. Not what they would like to do in the future leave that for your permies.

[unemployed]

I hope you don't mind my stick an oar in here, but I read this thread and might be able to offer some constructive comments. As well as having experience as a contractor, I also have a bit of experience of employing people (actually, more than a bit).

"Unemployed" - you come across as someone who is miserable, bored, apathetic and disinterested about the line of work you are in (by your own admission), and who basically thinks the world owes you a living. Not a good impression to create if you are looking for a job. A few pointers which may help:

1. Sending 200-300 CV's out is frankly, stupid. A CV should be tailored for the job and/or company you are applying for (trust me, it is very easy to spot when someone has bothered to make the effort); and a CV should ALWAYS accompanied by a very professional covering letter. If a CV arrrives on my desk without one, or that is clearly a bog-standard CV, it goes straight in the bin. It shows a lack of attention to detail....hardly a useful quality in a support person.

2. Your postings here show a disregard for the people reading your posts. Communication comes with standard practices to allow your readers to understand you.....punctuation, grammar, capital letters etc. By not adopting those norms, you show your apathy and I would strongly urge you to lose that because it WILL come across either in your written or verbal communications with propsective employers or their agents. Perhaps here would seem a good place to get into the habit? Certainly people may be more willing to help you if you make the effort with them? It's just a thought.

3. Like it or not, you are a commodity. Your CV and your attitude should all about what you can offer. Your CV should say "this is me, and this is what I can do for your company, and this is what I have done for other companies". Don't just focus on the hardware and software you have used....they are just tools that pretty much everyone can put on their CV. Tell the company what YOU can do for THEM (hence tailored CV's and covering letters).

4. Enthusiasm and confidence is everything. I have to say that the way you come accross, I wouldn't touch you with a barge pole.

I hope it helps.

of course im going to tailor my cv to every fake job on jobserve , what planet are you on.

sadly you sound like an agency bod to me or some jumped up HR person who gets kicks out of playing god with people`s cv`s. when in actual fact you know nothing about the person you are looking for really.

as a side line why to you teach english down the local comprehensive.

[cojak]

This guy has given you very sound advice.

If you're that desperate that you fire off so many CV's that you are unable to tailor them - that's your problem, not his.