How can we fight back against Infosys, TCS and other Indian consultancies?

[BlasterBates]

This has quickly descended into a tedious rehash of Brexit which I have no wish to get into whatsoever, every time a democracy asks it's population to make a decision be that electing a party or a referendum somebody wins and somebody loses. The entire process falls apart when the losing side refuses to accept that fact and the time for sparing remoaners hurty feelings is long past.

My point, that it is the party political system in this country and it's corruption by lobby groups and the consequences for all of us and our jobs in answer to the OPs question seems to have completely gone over your head.

The immigration and visa policy was clearly laid out in the Tory party manifesto, and they won with a clear majority. Contractors need to stop whining and accept the result.

[Lance]

This has quickly descended into a tedious rehash of Brexit which I have no wish to get into whatsoever, every time a democracy asks it's population to make a decision be that electing a party or a referendum somebody wins and somebody loses. The entire process falls apart when the losing side refuses to accept that fact and the time for sparing remoaners hurty feelings is long past.

My point, that it is the party political system in this country and it's corruption by lobby groups and the consequences for all of us and our jobs in answer to the OPs question seems to have completely gone over your head.

yawn... you mentioned B***** and the tedious rehash.

My point is that direct democracy, as a solution to your issues with representative democracy, is proven to not work.
Yes there are lobby groups. Yes there are powerful people with more influence than you'd like. There are also trade unions, and the Labour party is supposed to represent the workers.
Shouting 'corruption', 'remoaners' and other trite and over-simplistic, but catchy, words doesn't fix anything. Didn't someone say 'drain the swamp' and get elected?

As for the OPs question. It's nothing more than the rant of a victim who cannot compete. I mean 'fight back'???? What a load of tosh. It's like an old man shouting at a cloud. And no different to shouting at the 'corrupt lobbyists'. It's all just another side to the conspiracy theory coin.

‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’

[edison]

The govt is listing all IT skills as shortage skills , instead of specific ones like data science or machine learning, which is wrong.
You will find that CV manipulation is rife with indian outsorcers. On paper they can produce any skills.

I've worked with the likes of TCS, Wipro and Infosys and have seen this first hand. Part of my post was suggesting to look outside sectors where they have a large presence. I appreciate that can be difficult, if for example, you have 20 years experience in Financial Services. I saw a job ad yesterday which specifically stated the company wouldn't consider anyone coming from FS.

[GigiBronz]

My humble opinion is that it has nothing to do with productivity, unfairness of tax contributions etc.

It is only that the establishment does not want to have a second ideology that could pose a thread to their main framework -> permidom.
They just want a manageable gullible population that has the impression that their needs are "taken care of" - salary pension insurance etc - or at least given the impression that they are taken care of. It is all a lie, inflation mechanism and a lot of gov's effort is to keep the population in work, not allow it to retire early.

A pesky group of people that are used to having time between gigs, thinking like a business etc. are not welcomed in a world of increased control.

Yes, businesses cannot find people, people that are gullible enough to be pushed around and go the extra mile for nothing. You need 2-3m anyway to get anyone up to speed with any role or business conjuncture -> you can train them.

The primordial reason contractors find a hard time returning to permanent market is because of potential employers thinking THEY ARE NOT MANAGEABLE.

I have a friend that during his dark times of furlough thought that he was going to be fired. He was one of the people that believed in "company values" doing hard work etc.
His only thoughts were that... it's not worth to stay permanent. And chasing the highest paying contract and not the apparent certainty, personal development and all the crap his permi job offered.
What if... everyone realises this after an economic crisis and people refuse to engage with employers on permanent basis?
It is too dangerous for the establishment.

In conclusion: The purpose of engaging in work is to keep structure in society, keep people grinding so that they do not have time to revolt against the upper class.
Some of people that are actually engaged with their work and feel a sense of purpose -> ironically are paid less for that.
Read Bulltulip Jobs by David Graeber

Millennial and Gen-Z are the first to realise this and there will be a revolt where people will try to live outside the system. Bitcoin and technology will enable that.


“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”

― William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

[SussexSeagull]

The immigration and visa policy was clearly laid out in the Tory party manifesto, and they won with a clear majority. Contractors need to stop whining and accept the result.

Give it a rest.

[PlanB]

yawn... you mentioned B***** and the tedious rehash.

My point is that direct democracy, as a solution to your issues with representative democracy, is proven to not work.
Yes there are lobby groups. Yes there are powerful people with more influence than you'd like. There are also trade unions, and the Labour party is supposed to represent the workers.
Shouting 'corruption', 'remoaners' and other trite and over-simplistic, but catchy, words doesn't fix anything. Didn't someone say 'drain the swamp' and get elected?

As for the OPs question. It's nothing more than the rant of a victim who cannot compete. I mean 'fight back'???? What a load of tosh. It's like an old man shouting at a cloud. And no different to shouting at the 'corrupt lobbyists'. It's all just another side to the conspiracy theory coin.

You mean like that well known failed state Switzerland?

You started in on Brexit for some unknown reason, quite clearly several posts ago.

[PlanB]

The immigration and visa policy was clearly laid out in the Tory party manifesto, and they won with a clear majority. Contractors need to stop whining and accept the result.

Labour / Conservatives / LibDems offer very little real alternative, their message is essentially the same. Any party that even remotely looks like it is going to break that cartel gets stamped on from a great height.

[rocktronAMP]

Why would you want to restrict access to specialists who are self employed? Employees can also have multiple employers and could have short fixed term contracts. It's not about how many clients you have or how long projects take.

Yeah. 2nd jobbers and 3rd jobbers! Of course!

Maybe, I am conflating issues, because I am just as frustrated as you are. The actual issue is not framed in my mind.

If there was an OUTSIDE IR35 contract offered to me today at a respectable rate that matches my skillset, I'd bite their hand off. Especially, now I am working from home these days.

Back on the OP criteria, I also believe that fighting the TCS, InfoSys will be eventually fruitless. It will lead to the race to the bottom.

[BlasterBates]

Labour / Conservatives / LibDems offer very little real alternative, their message is essentially the same. Any party that even remotely looks like it is going to break that cartel gets stamped on from a great height.

Will not get the votes you mean.

Time to accept the result and move on.

[PlanB]

Will not get the votes you mean.

Time to accept the result and move on.

You seem obsessed with Brexit, I'm not sure where all this fits in with the Kübler-Ross model but it isn't healthy.