State of the Market

[edison]

Just thinking about the post above suggesting a poll to gauge how many people are inside/outside IR35, has anyone seen any national data on this from HMRC or any other body?

[PerfectStorm]

Just thinking about the post above suggesting a poll to gauge how many people are inside/outside IR35, has anyone seen any national data on this from HMRC or any other body?

Not sure a complete dataset could exist could it? There's nothing in the data that easily separates outside contractors from people who happen to get rather large share dividends every so often.

Perhaps Inside IR35 people also look, data-wise, exactly the same as ordinary employees.

The self-selecting surveys from IPSE, QDOS and co won't help, almost no one I work with has heard of them.

[Fraidycat]

Just thinking about the post above suggesting a poll to gauge how many people are inside/outside IR35, has anyone seen any national data on this from HMRC or any other body?

Rough estimate from the job boards, there are 3 outside contracts for every 2 inside ones. That is based on the what the adverts says. But given that many Inside roles hide the fact in the advert, while Outside roles promote it, i would say the reality is probably closer to 1:1 at the moment, maybe even 2:3 the other way.

But it is not say 3:1 one way or the other, it seems much closer matched at the moment.

[dsc]

Rough estimate from the job boards, there are 3 outside contracts for every 2 inside ones. That is based on the what the adverts says. But given that many Inside roles hide the fact in the advert, while Outside roles promote it, i would say the reality is probably closer to 1:1 at the moment, maybe even 2:3 the other way.

But it is not say 3:1 one way or the other, it seems much closer matched at the moment.

How many of those outside ones are actually inside cause the client had a re-think or the agency is lying outright just to bring more interest in?

[SussexSeagull]

Purely based on ads I have seen in Jobserve it is about 50-50. It quite possibly varies from sector to sector though, for example banking seems to be risk adverse.

I have yet to have an Inside contract, although that is mainly luck of the draw aided by not working in finance and having gone through the same couple of boutique agents for a few years.

[TheDude]

Purely based on ads I have seen in Jobserve it is about 50-50. It quite possibly varies from sector to sector though, for example banking seems to be risk adverse.

Presumably because they engage thousands of contractors.

[SussexSeagull]

Presumably because they engage thousands of contractors.

Yes, although they tend to be large companies. A smaller outfit having fewer contractors might have the same relative risk.

[edison]

Not sure a complete dataset could exist could it? There's nothing in the data that easily separates outside contractors from people who happen to get rather large share dividends every so often.

Perhaps Inside IR35 people also look, data-wise, exactly the same as ordinary employees.

The self-selecting surveys from IPSE, QDOS and co won't help, almost no one I work with has heard of them.

Fair points. Consensus seems to be nearer towards 50/50 then I thought.

[RobScott]

Yes, although they tend to be large companies. A smaller outfit having fewer contractors might have the same relative risk.

Outside is better. the risk is on the client and they are responsible and pay NI

[jamesbrown]

Outside is better. the risk is on the client and they are responsible and pay NI

Not really. The only outside contracts worth taking are under Chapter 8, not Chapter 10, aka the "off-payroll working rules".