State of the Market

[northernladuk]

Yup, I'm in one.

Also my sister, a PM contractor, is in an Outside contract. Different methods, but both instigated by a couple of responsible clients in entirely different industries.

If you are good enough there are

OK maybe I was wrong. It appears any Tom, Dick or Harry can get one.

[Andy2]

Are there any Outside IR35 contracts around anymore?

it looks like rates are piss poor for outside contracts , for very few that are available

[Lance]

it looks like rates are piss poor for outside contracts , for very few that are available

for your skills maybe.

[GigiBronz]

for your skills maybe.

are we assessing the health of the market by what a very small percent of all contractors are earning?
everyone agrees market is crap. Some calls here and there. I personally haven't had a call for a contract for about 3 months and I believe I have a strong cv. (unless recruiters share feedback on us through hidden databases and rely on word of mouth from previous recruiters - which is very likely what they are doing)

[Lance]

are we assessing the health of the market by what a very small percent of all contractors are earning?
everyone agrees market is crap. Some calls here and there. I personally haven't had a call for a contract for about 3 months and I believe I have a strong cv. (unless recruiters share feedback on us through hidden databases and rely on word of mouth from previous recruiters - which is very likely what they are doing)

I think my point, which might have been poorly made, is that one person's assessment of whether the market is strong or not, is anecdotal.
But this entire thread is just that. It's all doom and gloom.
I've never been as busy with as many clients, and can only see that increasing. That is also anecdotal.

I guess the only reason this thread isn't in general is to prevent trolling.
Worse than that. This thread is simply convincing people that there is no other work and they should take the high(er) risk of switching from outside to inside, when in reality if everyone moves client, there's a healthy vibrant fast moving market.

[Andy2]

for your skills maybe.

so what kind of skillset have you got which supposedly is super hot

[Lance]

so what kind of skillset have you got which supposedly is super hot

cloud architect. Not super hot. Just in demand with 4 clients. A pipeline of more, and more work than I can do.

[GigiBronz]

cloud architect. Not super hot. Just in demand with 4 clients. A pipeline of more, and more work than I can do.

talk figures please we are have potential for £ks per day but if you have 450£ pd it is the same as a kebab shop and you are carrying more risk than them since all your income is from once source and ... 1 employee.

[northernladuk]

talk figures please we are have potential for £ks per day but if you have 450£ pd it is the same as a kebab shop and you are carrying more risk than them since all your income is from once source and ... 1 employee.

Where does the 1 employee come from? He isn't an employee

[GigiBronz]

Where does the 1 employee come from? He isn't an employee

if that one entity suddenly becomes ill and cannot work. does the company receive any income? no. so one employee business.

sorry just saw this:

If your potential client was Vodafone, they have a huge reputation as massive time wasters.

Don't let them waste any more of yours.

Most likely it was an exercise driven by HR bods that local resources cannot be found so they can have their backs covered and bring people on sponsorship. Most of people that I have interacted with 1in HR(out of 3) and 2 devs were clearly fresh off boat. HR has about description not in UK but... (no discrimination here, I am an immigrant myself but the coincidence seems a bit too strong)

no brexitier here, but the point I am trying to make is that companies hire control. And you can't have a shorter leash than a work visa when your livelyhood is dependant on that piece of paper.