State of the Market

[mattyb]

Gove has recommended WFH again - my predictions are Furlough will be extended soon too. I'm currently debating a perm offer I have on the table to weather the storm (still in contract mind you - just nervous about SOTM come the winter months) until the next tax year but furlough keeps going maybe we won't see the massive downturn in jobs I was expecting...?

[ResistanceFighter]

Gove has recommended WFH again - my predictions are Furlough will be extended soon too. I'm currently debating a perm offer I have on the table to weather the storm (still in contract mind you - just nervous about SOTM come the winter months) until the next tax year but furlough keeps going maybe we won't see the massive downturn in jobs I was expecting...?

anybody please do correct me if you think I am wrong, but I feel that furlough is just putting clients in a holding pattern and so they are not hiring or stringing people along.

I think it would be better for furlough to end, and force clients to take action?

[eek]

anybody please do correct me if you think I am wrong, but I feel that furlough is just putting clients in a holding pattern and so they are not hiring or stringing people along.

I think it would be better for furlough to end, and force clients to take action?

There lies unemployment rates that could make the 1930's look pleasant.

[mattyb]

anybody please do correct me if you think I am wrong, but I feel that furlough is just putting clients in a holding pattern and so they are not hiring or stringing people along.

I think it would be better for furlough to end, and force clients to take action?

You could be right actually, I suppose a firm decision one way or the other is needed for planning our next steps

[sira]

Sodding tired...mandatory question in every job application: "Please state your salary requirements"

[PCTNN]

Been put forward for a couple of short contracts (3 and 5 months) so we'll see how these pan out.

The fact that government is endorsing (forcing almost) WFH makes things a bit better as I'm applying for roles all over the UK. When the pimp asks if I'm ready to be at client site when the situation goes back to normal I just lie and say yes. Who cares, the pandemic will be with us way longer than any contracts I'm applying for.

[simes]

The fact that government is endorsing (forcing almost) WFH makes things a bit better as I'm applying for roles all over the UK.

Why not all over, at least, Europe?

One or two hours time zone difference isn't going to make any difference. Expand the borders.

[GigiBronz]

most of the recruiters I've spoken to either say the role is remote and are expecting for you to take a big cut for that or expect you not to ask too many questions and be comfortable with "wfh for now", on site soon.
So I say 55k is base for remote role, for on-site central London 75k base.

What I think there is a backdoor push by big corporate not to make people comfortable with wfh, hence the silent approach.

I've had 2 companies expecting to pay "up to 40k" for mid level python/generalist engineer. one big consultancy central London with same whoosh whoosh "remote for now" policy.
I'd rather pick strawberries or be another benefit scrounger than get burned out in one of those tulipholes.

[eek]

most of the recruiters I've spoken to either say the role is remote and are expecting for you to take a big cut for that or expect you not to ask too many questions and be comfortable with "wfh for now", on site soon.
So I say 55k is base for remote role, for on-site central London 75k base.

What I think there is a backdoor push by big corporate not to make people comfortable with wfh, hence the silent approach.

I've had 2 companies expecting to pay "up to 40k" for mid level python/generalist engineer. one big consultancy central London with same whoosh whoosh "remote for now" policy.
I'd rather pick strawberries or be another benefit scrounger than get burned out in one of those tulipholes.

I can believe it - I'm aware of consultancies charging out Senior consultants at £650 a day down from £1250 or so.

To them it's best to cover costs and keep going rather than making people redundant - and for £650 a day to work when recruiting others the salary would need to be appropriately lower (remember that the other fixed costs won't change much).

[GigiBronz]

40k for a mid level (you mean ten years experience?) in London for a consultancy ??

Are you for real

Yes, it's name starts with a C and is "up to 40k". expected travel to clients as well. When I expressed my indignance they said that there are plenty of candidates that are applying since most of them do not live in London. I did not bother to explain them that the role is in London. That was after first interview.

I don't know how they find me but I would guess it has to do with the fact that I am a "foreiner" and in their mind only one of those can potentially put up with something like this.
"Throw him some free t-shirts from time to time and he'll be glowing with happiness".