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Originally posted by AndrewK View PostOf corse you can. How they say - "Jack of all trades..."merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by AndrewK View PostOf corse you can. How they say - "Jack of all trades..."
Not that great when you are trying to sell specialist skills in a flooded market.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by AndrewK View PostOf corse you can. How they say - "Jack of all trades..."
Anyway, you can say whatever you want, my contracting client list and company finances tell a far different storyThe Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by eek View PostNot quite. I would go for expert (reassuringly expensive) with added value soft skills....
You're doing it all wrongThe Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostI suspect that your rate has gone up or, at the very least, maintained over a good number of years?
You're doing it all wrongmerely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostI'm happy with it. Could easily get more but there is a reason for why I am where I currently am..
Almost scored scored £100 a day more recently, but considering the state of Germany's "topical" bank, maybe I dodged a rocket, or somethingThe Chunt of Chunts.Comment
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Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy2002 was a major turning point in the contract market. Jobserve was posting in excess of 65K jobs a day, this dropped to 20K in a couple of months.
On the other hand with near 100% employment it does seem incredible that clients are pushing down on rates - Something is very broken with the employment and contract market in the UK.
I still think the graph below from the old job stats website says it all.
I gather it could have been someone who used to post on this site who ran jobstats. It was a great site. In reality the demand dropped off a cliff after 9/11, recovered a bit then did something similar after the financial crisis.Comment
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Jobstats was a sad, sad loss.
As a general rule, the ability to get a role depends on the number of roles posted versus the number of people looking. Job stats provided one side of that equation.
I remember mapping my job hunting career against the Jobstats graph and my success pretty-well mirrored the Jobstat numbers. This rather suggested that all the brow beating about CV formats and recruitment channels etc misses the essential truth that it's mainly about supply and demand."Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by AndrewK View PostI would say BA is guy, who can't write software or be PM.
And most of the time creates documentation which is not related to underlying problem...
HAHA great post.
I used to be a developer that moved in to BA. I think its safe to say 90% of the BA's I've met during my developer and BA career have been utterly rubbish. It's ashame really as it makes the profession look pretty dire and comments such as yours are very typical. I followed the qualification route and I've put that training in to practice for the last 8 years. I see plenty of people who used to be some weird SME role and they are needed on a project so just get labelled as a BA because no other job description fits. Project managers are often ignorant of the skill set and I quite often look at the PM roles and wonder what they are actually doing. Once again I can probably only identify 10% of the PM's I've worked with as being worth the air they breathe. For many its a chance to hone their artistic powerpoint skills but for the rare few they are a good ally to have as a BA.
The comments around developer market being driven offshore and rates being hit hard is precisely why I moved out of that role. Don't get me wrong, being a developer was one of the most self satisfying jobs I've had there's definitely something great about working with code and building things but essentially the perm and contract £££ isnt there in the longer term. I moved myself out of manufacturing and in to financial services where the money improved but still not great. I naturally moved into BA work due to the frustration I had with the crap between the dev team and the project teams and it just so happened that whilst the perm salaries are terrible you can make a decent enough living as a contract BA with a consistently decent job market.
I believe that is down to the typical structure of programmes and portfolios. Often the big ticket day rates are highly specialised or for the big cheese jobs e.g. programme manager. Theres typically only 1 or 2 of them on a portfolio so the market for them is pretty narrow. Going down to the PM level theres a few of them kicking around in a programme but usually you'll find 2-5x more BA's. Due to that set up the BA market is always there but as someone mentioned earlier I dont think the offshore skills work in that type of role.Last edited by munkee; 11 October 2016, 19:00.Comment
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