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Originally posted by ziggystardust View PostNo, I don't do support work so this does not apply to me. The general culture of the office however is that people stay until 5pm and after that time so it does feel as though many eyes are me when I leave the office...
Just continue leaving at the convenient time and let her decide how to deal with it. And be prepared to walk.Comment
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It is still quite possible for the manager to be ignorant of crontracotrs and inexperienced in hiring them, even if she herself is a contractor.
If other contractors stick rigidly to these times, that is a fairly good reason to fall in line (when in Rome...). It is also a good reason to leave at the next renewal, if the timings are important to you.Comment
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Personally I like to start late and finish early. 35-37 hrs a week billed hourly.Comment
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Originally posted by ziggystardust View PostI've recently started a contract and, leaving at 4.30pm fits in with my personal/family needs. My contract states 37 and a half hours a week as standard and, although I'm certainly not a clock watcher and will stay longer if my workload calls for it I've been coming on site at 8.30am and taking a half hour lunch. This hasn't seem to have gone well with my manager
1. You need to change your attitude towards your client. Don't treat your Point of contact as a "manager".
2. A quiet word with your point of contact should sort this out.
3. If it doesn't, then either leave or suck it up.
4. What is your war chest like?
5. How "good" is your skillset?
6. How easy is it to find another contract?
etc ....Comment
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Originally posted by ziggystardust View PostNo, I don't do support work so this does not apply to me. The general culture of the office however is that people stay until 5pm and after that time so it does feel as though many eyes are me when I leave the office. . So it seems that I can discuss this with the client (who is a contractor herself! ) and if I don't get the desired result either stick it out for the 6 months and do what she asks, which as northernladuk implied, could open the doors for more control freakish behaviour. Or second option is to just ignore her and work the hours I want to and to my contract terms at the risk of annoying the client, working in an uncomfortable atmosphere and possibly risking termination. Thirdly, nip the whole thing in the bud and hand my notice in (currently a month). Which would you be inclined to do? Not sure whether my agent would be on my sideComment
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If they're telling you what hours you should be working, you're going to end up being well within IR35.
If she's a contractor, then she needs to be made aware of that fact; discuss it in your next 4:30. If you get nowhere with this and you're both through the same agent, contact the agent, advising that IR35 status is being risked by her and you never had working hours agreed.
If all else fails KHITCOops, we're not in General.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by ziggystardust View Posteither stick it out for the 6 months and do what she asks, which as northernladuk implied, could open the doors for more control freakish behaviour. Or second option is to just ignore her and work the hours I want to and to my contract terms at the risk of annoying the client, working in an uncomfortable atmosphere and possibly risking termination. Thirdly, nip the whole thing in the bud and hand my notice in (currently a month). Which would you be inclined to do?
This would actually give you a really strong IR35 position, I think. "They wanted me until 5, and I agreed to do that half the time or so in the interests of client relations, but I certainly didn't concede control and I still left before 5 quite frequently." You will not only have not conceded control, you'll have made a point of not doing so. And yet, you've given her enough that she can view it as a win for her.
And then, if they want an extension, and you are so inclined, you can even agree to specific hours if it is important to them -- for a price.Comment
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Originally posted by WordIsBond View PostI'd consider doing #4. Stick by what they want maybe 3 days a week and work the schedule that is better for you two days a week. Tell her that you want to accommodate them as much as you can, so you'll be staying until 5 more often, usually three days a week, but that you ARE an independent contractor, and the right to dictate specific hours isn't in the contract you agreed. When the contract is up, if they want to renew with different terms you'll be glad to discuss it with them.
This would actually give you a really strong IR35 position, I think. "They wanted me until 5, and I agreed to do that half the time or so in the interests of client relations, but I certainly didn't concede control and I still left before 5 quite frequently." You will not only have not conceded control, you'll have made a point of not doing so. And yet, you've given her enough that she can view it as a win for her.
And then, if they want an extension, and you are so inclined, you can even agree to specific hours if it is important to them -- for a price.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostSpecific hours leads to inside IR35, no? Would have to be a significant rate increase.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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