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    #41
    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    It's a client supplier relationship. It's not equal and many things that work one way will not work the other as it might in an equal one. You just can't apply this thinking.
    So you keep saying. Still think a client can have zero complaints if a supplier chooses not extend their relationship beyond an initial contract period.

    Of course, client could have offered a longer initial contract and added some contingency in to ensure the project was completed in the timescale. But, no, they won't do that because they want to get the contractor on board for as short a time as possible. Also, they know if it does overrun they can appeal to the contractors misguided loyalty and throw them a few more weeks and they'll bend over and take it.

    One client I worked for did this. Added a month on at the end. Seemed sensible. Project overran by two weeks in the end and they did serve the weeks notice and end it two weeks early. Fair enough it was in the contract they could do this - would rather have worked the extra two weeks of course. But point being, no-one made plans for that extra month because they were in contract - even though it was possible it would end early.

    As opposed to the situation where client screws it down to a minimum then ASSUMES contractor will be jumping up and down to take it from behind with a few odd weeks they kindly throw....
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      #42
      Originally posted by 01smicha View Post
      Now that bit is a given! I do plan to have something of a hurrah on the last day. I do have good relationships with the vast majority of people here.
      Make sure the guy who pays the invoices late's cake stays in the box until everyone else has enjoyed theirs. Then grudgingly hand it over.
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        #43
        Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
        So you keep saying. Still think a client can have zero complaints if a supplier chooses not extend their relationship beyond an initial contract period.

        Of course, client could have offered a longer initial contract and added some contingency in to ensure the project was completed in the timescale. But, no, they won't do that because they want to get the contractor on board for as short a time as possible. Also, they know if it does overrun they can appeal to the contractors misguided loyalty and throw them a few more weeks and they'll bend over and take it.
        And you would be happy if the norm is to over extended and chop everyone early when needed? You'd be calling the client all the names under the sun if that kept happening.

        No point discussing it with you when you think it's 'misguided loyalty' and 'bending over and taking it'. You'll never understand.
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          #44
          Originally posted by 01smicha View Post
          What would you do?
          Discuss the situation with the client.

          If there is a six month contract on offer (and it's actually going to start) then you assess the impact of leaving at the end of the contract compared to that of staying.

          I had a client where they only offered four week extensions post go-live, and they were surprised when people left early or didn't accept the next extension. But if you want someone to stay, then you need to plan properly and communicate that with the supplier.

          I'd have no qualms about not extending if the project had gone live, but at this stage I'd probably stick it out and then move on once you've successfully delivered.
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            #45
            The late payments issue should not come into this - it's a separate grievance that should be addressed separately.

            Manage expectations with current client co and potential new client co.

            Can you get any assurance of a hard stop on the current project engagement?
            Are new client co insisting on a particular start date or is this all speculative at the moment?
            Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.

            Manage the situations as they arrive, not what they might be.
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              #46
              Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
              And you would be happy if the norm is to over extended and chop everyone early when needed? You'd be calling the client all the names under the sun if that kept happening.

              No point discussing it with you when you think it's 'misguided loyalty' and 'bending over and taking it'. You'll never understand.
              Keep up NLUK mun. You know my views - if its in the contract that ether party can terminate with notice then IMHO there should be no complaints from EITHER party.

              What the OP and others are discussing here is some sort of out-of-contract "agreement" that its wrong not to extend for a few weeks because the client wants you to do so.
              Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                #47
                Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
                Discuss the situation with the client.

                If there is a six month contract on offer (and it's actually going to start) then you assess the impact of leaving at the end of the contract compared to that of staying.

                I had a client where they only offered four week extensions post go-live, and they were surprised when people left early or didn't accept the next extension. But if you want someone to stay, then you need to plan properly and communicate that with the supplier.

                I'd have no qualms about not extending if the project had gone live, but at this stage I'd probably stick it out and then move on once you've successfully delivered.
                I would agree with the discuss with client idea.

                You mention stick it out until you've delivered. You have - up until the end of the legally signed contract. If this contract was time-based rather than deliverable-based then the way I see it is that anything else is a new contract. Fair enough dont be a bell end about and accomodate clients if you can but at the end of the day....

                You proved it yourself. Offer short contracts and people will decline and go elsewhere. A client can't "expect" contractors to hang around until they decide.
                Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by jmo21 View Post
                  Rubbish. They are the clients. Not giving out free money.
                  Exactly. That's precisely what I'm saying.

                  If the project is finished, and your contract is finished, you're done. The client will not (and is under no obligation to) extend your contract for even one more day.. After all, why should they?

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                    #49
                    I think the summary of this discussion boils down to those who are embedded in a project against those who just do BAU, the BAU people will walk at the end of the assignment as they are not really invested beyond doing what they have to do. Those who have put blood, sweat and tears into a project will not walkaway without seeing it live, even if that means working on a day-by-day notice until its done.
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