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Beginner's question: What am I doing wrong?

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    #11
    Thank you - Summary

    Thank you for being honest. Seriously it is very refreshing (I must tell you that I have been thinking that this things might be an issue but it is always better to hear it from others).
    If you are interested here is my feedback to some things
    - I should check my CV
    Ok this is fair enough - I am not native (surprise!). In fact I had my CV professionally checked but I have made some modifications maybe not so professional.
    - Lack of UK contracting experience.
    Well this IMO is only mentality of recruiters but if this is how it is I can't help that. I did a lot of really big things, and i can talk about it all day long however - nobody cares anyway. No hard feelings about that - but this experience is by no means different from what I could get on British market.
    - Ok linked in link has its history but it should be changed - sounds weird
    - My skills...
    I am kind of person who does not like to dig in one hole for ages. I have noticed one day that employers usually give me only ability to develop my skills to certain level and then my learning curve is going up very slowly and this is not something that suits my need for learning. I also noticed that most developers have some gaps in knowledge. Very good developers sometimes have no idea about networking or databases. This is later on problem for project (lack of ability to tune database and write optimal queries IS a problem). So why not learn databases better? Then someone sees that you know it best from team and they make you Database Architect.
    Anyway - long story - I want to know whole landscape not just study one tree for my lifetime.. it should be good (IMO) for contractor however I may be wrong.
    I have already noticed that knowing more is a sin sometimes.

    Thank you all - I will try to take this advices to my heart, fix what I can and do my best

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      #12
      Best of luck in finding a good role soon.

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        #13
        It's all in how you sell yourself sir.

        The market is tough and you need to stand out from the rest.

        Many people here are seasoned contractors with 15+ years solid contracting experience. Knowing from personal experience I sum the recruitment process up in three parts.

        1) Selling yourself through a CV is the first part.
        2) Selling yourself to the agent is second part.
        3) Selling yourself to the client as the ideal candidate is the final part.

        Once you begin to master ALL of these then reap the rewards of contracting.
        Polishing a turd near you!!

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          #14
          Originally posted by smarcjanski View Post
          - My skills...
          I am kind of person who does not like to dig in one hole for ages. I have noticed one day that employers usually give me only ability to develop my skills to certain level and then my learning curve is going up very slowly and this is not something that suits my need for learning. I also noticed that most developers have some gaps in knowledge. Very good developers sometimes have no idea about networking or databases. This is later on problem for project (lack of ability to tune database and write optimal queries IS a problem). So why not learn databases better? Then someone sees that you know it best from team and they make you Database Architect.
          Anyway - long story - I want to know whole landscape not just study one tree for my lifetime.. it should be good (IMO) for contractor however I may be wrong.
          I have already noticed that knowing more is a sin sometimes.

          Thank you all - I will try to take this advices to my heart, fix what I can and do my best
          This is a permie mindset. I don't know about the Polish contract market but in the UK contractors generally get hired to do a specific job using a specific skill set that the client doesn't have in their own resource pool. By spreading yourself over many disciplines you are not showing you are an expert in any of them. Pick one area and emphasis that on your CV. You may know stuff outside that discipline but if, for example, the client wants a .net developer to work on a new application, database admin skills are "nice to have" at best and most likely irrelevent far as the client is concerned.

          Learning new skills is always good and it can be useful to have them once you have a job, but if they are not what the client actually wants then they won't help you get a gig to begin with. As a contractor you should not be expecting the client to train you in new skills. It's not in their interest to do so after all. If you get the opportunity to learn on the job, great, but otherwise developing your skills is down to you, not the client.

          If there are a couple of areas you feel you are strong in then create different versions of your CV, one for each skill set and be prepared to modify them to match the job spec as required. You don't lie on your CV, but if the clients wants A, B & C then make sure A, B & C stand out, not D, E & F.

          EDIT:

          And don't underestimate the stupidity of Agents. 99% of them simply look for word matches between the CV and the job spec. They have no clue what they actually mean so make it easy for them and make sure the right words stand out in your CV.
          Last edited by DaveB; 3 March 2015, 08:56.
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            #15
            Originally posted by vadhert View Post
            It's all in how you sell yourself sir.

            The market is tough and you need to stand out from the rest.

            Many people here are seasoned contractors with 15+ years solid contracting experience. Knowing from personal experience I sum the recruitment process up in three parts.

            1) Selling yourself through a CV is the first part.
            2) Selling yourself to the agent is second part.
            3) Selling yourself to the client as the ideal candidate is the final part.

            Once you begin to master ALL of these then reap the rewards of contracting.
            Yes I understand this process and it makes me sad sometimes.
            Being a good developer does not always mean being good salesman

            When you spend a lot of time with machine you have not much time for getting social skills.

            And in normal circumstances learning goes like this: TRY -> FAILURE -> CORRECTIONS -> TRY -> FAILURE -> CORRECTIONS -> TRY -> SUCCESS
            On this market it looks like

            TRY -> ......... -> TRY -> ...... -> TRY -> I WILL CALL YOU BACK -> .....

            It is just flustrating but well - I can not fight this so I must learn to play with it.

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              #16
              Originally posted by DaveB View Post
              This is a permie mindset. I don't know about the Polish contract market but in the UK contractors generally get hired to do a specific job using a specific skill set that the client doesn't have in their own resource pool. By spreading yourself over many disciplines you are not showing you are an expert in any of them. Pick one area and emphasis that on your CV...
              Well true - Polish market sometimes (but not always) looks like "hmm we do not know exactly what skills we will need during this project so let's hire someone who can do everything".

              I am not expecting anyone to train me. i do it myself well. There was no single team in which I would feal bad with my skills - if I did not know something it took me less then few days to catch
              up. Most people spend more time learning code base of the new client. However - this is gard to proove outside of work environment.

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                #17
                Have you got a UK phone number for agents to call you on?
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by smarcjanski View Post
                  Yes I understand this process and it makes me sad sometimes.
                  Being a good developer does not always mean being good salesman

                  When you spend a lot of time with machine you have not much time for getting social skills.

                  And in normal circumstances learning goes like this: TRY -> FAILURE -> CORRECTIONS -> TRY -> FAILURE -> CORRECTIONS -> TRY -> SUCCESS
                  On this market it looks like

                  TRY -> ......... -> TRY -> ...... -> TRY -> I WILL CALL YOU BACK -> .....

                  It is just flustrating but well - I can not fight this so I must learn to play with it.


                  Trust me on the above.

                  I've been doing this long enough to know this.

                  Its irrelevant of being a good developer or not.
                  Polishing a turd near you!!

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                    #19
                    "mrv" and "northernladuk" - both of you gave very sincere advises to this guy.

                    I got very similar tips from my close friend - it sounded shocking first because I have been working in a permanent role and in a fixed-term contract in the last couple of years.

                    I guess you need to change your mindset when going from permanent to (real) contracting.

                    The hardest part for me was to accept the fact that agencies do not reply to your application unless they want to forward it to the client - I kind of assumed that if I made the effort to taylor my CV/cover letter to the advert then they should at least say "we regret to inform you..." or something like that. Unfortunately it is not the case...

                    So do not give up, listen to the guys on this forum, review your CV and soon you will get your contract role!

                    Keep us informed about your progress - I will do the same.

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