new daily rates

[TheFaQQer]

DBA contracts are going going gone. Cloud taken over. All managed services. Bobs are killing off the BI market. BI was a growing skill over last 8 years, but now it's flooded. Only the strong or cheap shall remain.

Any customer using eBusiness Suite will need a DBA (or more usually multiple DBAs) to look after it. Unless you use what used to be Oracle OnDemand.

[AnthonyQuinn]

Whats with sql DBA/BI rates being advertised at £325 daily.

Agencies trying to increase margins or clients trying it on ?

I'm in midlands where rates are lower but ...

hoe much SHOULD the rate be?? the current rate is the current rate init??

[Project Monkey]

if its genuine client pressure to reduce rates theres not a lot we can do.

if its agencies increasing their margins its time for us contractors to get motivated and re-establish the freelancer direct client market that was prevalent in my day.

We (unwittingly) allowed agencies to get a foothold in our market in return for an easy life (no direct advertising for work, and guaranteed Payment on schedule).

we can sort the first with a decent freelancer web site. and we can sort the second with Modern On-Line payment methods which would limit the credit risk.

It would even help with the scurge of IR35 (there would be no intermediary for hmrc to wine about)

You mean like BACS? Much easier than cashing a cheque I hear.

[unixman]

Isn't it the same for most tech pay, permie and contract ?

For Unix/Linux, most perm roles seem to be offering about what they were in year 2000, less if you correct for inflation.

Contracts are about what they were offering in 2006. Again, less in real terms.

It is just the market. Apart from development, which is paid okay, we are still recovering from the credit crunch. Employers obviously want to keep pay low but the market will correct.

[BlasterBates]

No there is no conspiracy because there is no agent monopoly.

If all agents are offering low rates then one agent can simple step into the market and mop up by offering a slightly higher rate, because obviously the contractors will go through him. An agent on a 5% margin with 100 contractors earns a darn site more than an agent with one contractor on 20%.

If the rates are low across the board, it's because the clients are offering low rates and the reason ?

Easy...offshoring

DB management is easy to offshore.

[Tasslehoff]

Dying skill, you need to be thinking "Whats next"

Genuine question, coming from a SQL/BI developer.

Whats the next thing to start up-skilling in?

[d000hg]

Big Data? Cloud sysadmin stuff?

[TheFaQQer]

Genuine question, coming from a SQL/BI developer.

Whats the next thing to start up-skilling in?

Oracle SOA Suite.

[jjdarg]

If the rates are low across the board, it's because the clients are offering low rates and the reason ?

Easy...offshoring

DB management is easy to offshore.

And it ain't just DBAs, either...I've seen loads of jobs, especially in the City, going at pre-2000 rates because the competition is offering onshore/offshore. Hard to compete on price with onshored resources living in dormitory conditions.

[darrylmg]

Funny that management never seem to think that management could be offshored too...

Let's face it, robots will replace the manual labour and AI will manage the IT. Then all we'd need is a defence network called skynet. Oh, wait a minute...