What do Brexiters want after we leave the EU?

[WTFH]

Specifically, in the last 25 years, all of them. Not because all of them are bad rules (many aren't bad at all) but for the simple fact that "Brussels" has the power to pass those rules in the first place.

OK, ignoring your rant about how the EU is evil and spends all its time thinking of ways to punish the UK, can you tell me how many of the rules you talk about have been implemented by the UK's sovereign parliament because the UK sovereign parliament was forced to?

[BlasterBates]

The power of the EU over the UK has nothing to do with the UK being a member, it has power because it is a powerful large trading block. GDPR has become "world law". Anyone in a US company knows this as they have implemented GDPR.

When the UK leaves the EU it will be controlled by the EU rather than shaping the EU, regardless of what the UK decides.

Brexiteers will find out sooner or later that they've completely misunderstood power and how it is wielded.

This is what you learn when you formally study politics and business, the concept of power. Leading Brexiteers are simply ill-educated.

[BlasterBates]

Specifically, in the last 25 years, all of them. Not because all of them are bad rules (many aren't bad at all) but for the simple fact that "Brussels" has the power to pass those rules in the first place. When we signed up to the transition from the EC to the EU, our civil service went to sleep, so now we follow even some rules we don't actually have to.
"Brussels" is a closed bureaucracy, with only two priorities; keeping the power and perks it already has, and gaining more of both. Westminster and Whitehall only care about the perks, and don't seem to care about handing over the power.
If, after this farcical process, we don't actually leave, we are simply rolling over and inviting the EU to tickle our tummy. They may of course choose to kick us in the bollocks. If they do, at the next election remember that Parliament had the chance to determine who governs the UK, itself or Brussels. Either by sheer incompetence or deliberate design, or most likely a muddled confluence of both, the latter seems increasingly inevitable.

Long after the UK has left the EU it will be implementing EU law. It will have no choice.

That is not something that needs to be debated, it is simply an immutable fact.

[Mordac]

The EU cost me less than a hundred quid last year, and saved me more than that in not having roaming charges, visas, etc.

The U.K. government cost me more than that just in having to have IR35 insurance.

If Brussels makes the rules that matter, let’s have more of it.

Or you could look at the whole picture. Of all the things they said would never happen during the campaign, (EU Army, Turkish accession, UK forced into the Euro, further integration etc.) let's see how many of those actually don't ever happen.
I'll be sorry to see the end of free movement* (if it happens), and bribing the peasants is easy, especially when you are doing it with their own money. Or in the case of roaming charges, other peoples' money.

*I'd obviously prefer managed free movement, but we can't do that inside the EU without setting up registration and ID policies which would apply to UK citizens, and any Government which tried that would be writing their own suicide note.

[BlasterBates]

Or you could look at the whole picture. Of all the things they said would never happen during the campaign, (EU Army, Turkish accession, UK forced into the Euro, further integration etc.) let's see how many of those actually don't ever happen.
I'll be sorry to see the end of free movement* (if it happens), and bribing the peasants is easy, especially when you are doing it with their own money. Or in the case of roaming charges, other peoples' money.

*I'd obviously prefer managed free movement, but we can't do that inside the EU without setting up registration and ID policies which would apply to UK citizens, and any Government which tried that would be writing their own suicide note.

You've hit the nail on the head with registration and ID, but isolation and entire industries decamping is also no solution.

[zerosum]

The problem with Brexit is not the theory. It’s the fact that no specific version of Brexit (including No Deal) is possible without such gigantic compromises that it becomes quite worthless in practise.

Hell, it’s possible that from a purely theoretical standpoint Brexit has its merits. Note all the leavers that retreat to bleating about making UK laws in the UK (well, those few unimportant ones that we can actually decide on a narrowly national basis).

Having reviewed the farcical attempts to come up with a version of Brexit that might actually work (none of which seriously reckoned with Ireland) Cummings wisely opted to go for an all-the-unicorns Brexit.

[meridian]

Or you could look at the whole picture. Of all the things they said would never happen during the campaign, (EU Army, Turkish accession, UK forced into the Euro, further integration etc.) let's see how many of those actually don't ever happen.
I'll be sorry to see the end of free movement* (if it happens), and bribing the peasants is easy, especially when you are doing it with their own money. Or in the case of roaming charges, other peoples' money.

*I'd obviously prefer managed free movement, but we can't do that inside the EU without setting up registration and ID policies which would apply to UK citizens, and any Government which tried that would be writing their own suicide note.

I doubt anyone said never happen. EU Army? Worries me as much as the British army does, as in not very much; Turkey? Not likely, especially with Cyprus; Euro? Not with the opt out we had, and even without an opt out the schedule of countries to move onto the Euro is fairly relaxed; Further integration? Depends on what it is - I would expect some to be good, some bad, but at all times we would be in the inside influencing it.

Sounds like you're living in fear of what might be, rather than taking it as and when/if it happens.

[meridian]

It’s the fact that no specific version of Brexit (including No Deal) is possible without such gigantic compromises

All versions of Brexit require tradeoffs, there are positives and negatives of any version that we get. The problem is that none of the arch-Brexiters are willing to outline or accept the tradeoffs.

[Mordac]

OK, ignoring your rant about how the EU is evil and spends all its time thinking of ways to punish the UK, can you tell me how many of the rules you talk about have been implemented by the UK's sovereign parliament because the UK sovereign parliament was forced to?

The rest of my post* answers that question. I don't remember a single instance of Parliament refusing to ratify something they had the option to refuse, and if they had, the Remain campaign failed to capitalise on it (or even mention it).
As I said, Parliament has the opportunity (once and final) to decide who ultimately governs Britain, and they seem to want it not to be Parliament.

*You call that a rant? Don't go all snowflakey on me now...

[Old Greg]

Or you could look at the whole picture. Of all the things they said would never happen during the campaign, (EU Army, Turkish accession, UK forced into the Euro, further integration etc.) let's see how many of those actually don't ever happen.

Don't forget the criminalisation of prawn cocktail flavour crisps.