Are Brexiters really so insecure

[woohoo]

EFTA is not partially leaving. It is leaving. Norway is not an EU member and has voted against joining the EU. The referendum was to leave the EU. You don't like it and I understand that but it is leaving the EU. Others do like it. A referendum will sort it out.

When I said partly out I was thinking of the custom union option. But yep I would still class the Norway option as being partly out in the sense of the restrictions of being "associated" with the EU.

[meridian]

When I said partly out I was thinking of the custom union option. But yep I would still class the Norway option as being partly out in the sense of the restrictions of being "associated" with the EU.

What would it restrict you from doing?

[woohoo]

Well, if the UK does not want free movement of people and goods with the EU, then the UK would put up the border.
If the UK wants free movement of people and goods, then the UK needs to negotiate that.

Without an agreement, there is a border, it's how nations work, unless perhaps you know some other way of having a border between two countries that have no agreement on the movement of people and goods between them.

It would be a soft border as is now. The EU or the UK is never going to put up a hard border, it's not going to happen.

Most checks are intelligence based, so people smuggling etc. Goods etc can be checked in Ireland or the UK at a place of business or delivery. Free movement of people won't continue because we just check the UK side.

The fact this has been made such an issue is because the EU has used the political capital as leverage.

[woohoo]

What would it restrict you from doing?

Goods have to abide by EU regulations/rules and you have no say in making the rules.
Membership payments.

[meridian]

Goods have to abide by EU regulations/rules and you have no say in making the rules.
Membership payments.

Goods sent into the EU need to abide by EU regulations / rules anyway, regardless.

Turkey is in a CU with the EU, do they make payments?

But that wasn’t really the point of my question. The point was, politicians need to grasp the pros and cons of every option, to decide what is best overall for the country. No point cutting off our noses to spite our face, if the best option includes a customs union.

[Old Greg]

When I said partly out I was thinking of the custom union option. But yep I would still class the Norway option as being partly out in the sense of the restrictions of being "associated" with the EU.

That sounds like you have a reason for voting against it in a second referendum. However it is still leaving the EU. A list of EU members contains the UK but not Norway. Let the people decide.

[woohoo]

Goods sent into the EU need to abide by EU regulations / rules anyway, regardless.

Turkey is in a CU with the EU, do they make payments?

But that wasn’t really the point of my question. The point was, politicians need to grasp the pros and cons of every option, to decide what is best overall for the country. No point cutting off our noses to spite our face, if the best option includes a customs union.

So all our trade has to abide by the regulation, so rest of world trade needs to implement that regulation. And you have no say in it.

Also the usual democratic arguments apply blah blah.

[woohoo]

That sounds like you have a reason for voting against it in a second referendum. However it is still leaving the EU. A list of EU members contains the UK but not Norway. Let the people decide.

Tiresome.

[Whorty]

This is exactly what I say to Remainers. It's brings them out in a red-faced angry flush.

Flippin gammons

[Old Greg]

Tiresome.

Why are you in denial about the clear fact the leaving the EU has a wide range of possible outcomes including EFTA membership?