Are Brexiters really so insecure

[Platypus]

Those who voted to remain did not win, you might have forgotten that. To the victors go the spoils. And the victors need to start delivering on their victory, or just revert to their MO of blaming others.

Option (2) please.

[Yorkie62]

But you committed by making your vote without knowing the details of any option.

If you want to have a final commitment, do you mean you want a referendum where the precise choices are laid out, not just the lies written on the side of a bus?

Why not have a new referendum. 3 options

1) no deal
2)malthouse compromise
3) What we shall refer to as TMs deal

Three option on how to leave the EU as voted for in the first ref. Now Choose. Simples

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[BlasterBates]

Those who voted to remain did not win, you might have forgotten that. To the victors go the spoils. And the victors need to start delivering on their victory, or just revert to their MO of blaming others.

The Leavers don't really want to leave they have deliberately thwarted it so they can revel in their betrayal recriminations. They know that really leaving is a disaster.

[darmstadt]

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I would suggest this one, but it's an immigrant:

[Old Greg]

We voted to leave the EU and that's what we should do, deal or no deal. If the EU and our politicians can't come to a mutually acceptable deal then its no deal.

I think both sides have been very poor at negotiating a deal and its ultimately been spoilt by too much shilly-shallying and carpers on the fence as well as the guerrilla warfare employed by the project fear mongers. The EU could have given Cameron a few carrots when he did the rounds originally but they never thought we'd actually vote to leave and anyway their final solution is to eradicate national boundaries and regional identity. I don't think the people want that to happen. The EU should have stuck with being a trade club rather than become a political club.

So Norway plus single market would work for you. Nice to agree on something at last.

[BlueSharp]

Probably not mutually exclusive. The only real leave options I can think of, and two of those are similar, are

1) No Deal - the default as voted for when parliament voted to trigger A50

2) The Malthouse compromise - a version of the above

3) The deal "Negotiated" with the EU since triggering A50.

3 views of how we should leave the EU. My preference I think would be for option 2 over option 1 but I would like to know more about option 2 before finally commiting

These are all the possible different types of Brexit people have suggested | The Independent

1) Theresa May’s plan – red, white and blue Brexit
2) The EU’s response – Canada
3) Norway plus
4) Norway
5) No deal – chaotic Brexit
6) Ukraine-style Brexit
7) The Swiss option
8) Turkey
10) Labour’s policy

Throw in a combination the unicorns spread by the leave campaign, that we wont need a border with NI or Ireland, we can have frictionless trade while collecting duty, we will also leave the European Court of Human rights, some bretard suggested we should have a deal where we can still vote (Leadsom?) oh and don't forget the £350 million for the NHS you can easily get up to a 100 different version of Brexit.

So a majority voted for their own version of Brexit, not one version would of delivered a majority against a status quo and that's meant to be democratic.

[BlasterBates]

It would be better to rename "no deal" as Zimbabwe minus, because that is exactly what it is.

[Old Greg]

Why not have a new referendum. 3 options

1) no deal
2)malthouse compromise
3) What we shall refer to as TMs deal

Three option on how to leave the EU as voted for in the first ref. Now Choose. Simples

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Include EFTA plus single market as the opposite extreme of leave to no deal.

[woohoo]

Is Norway, or is Switzerland, in the EU?

Norway is in the EEA and EFTA. Switzerland same kind of thing.

They are both associated with the EU through these agreements.

The referendum was clear to leave the EU. Not leave the EU then join EEA or EFTA.

[Old Greg]

Norway is in the EEA and EFTA. Switzerland same kind of thing.

They are both associated with the EU through these agreements.

The referendum was clear to leave the EU. Not leave the EU then join EEA or EFTA.

Leaving the EU and joining EFTA is consistent with leaving the EU. As is leaving the EU with no deal. I appreciate that many people would strongly disagree with either of these outcomes but a referendum could settle it democratically.