Decades of instability, violence on the streets

[yetanotherbob]

Can't make anything of this. EU fearmongering or a real threat.
Things seem normal so far but one can never tell what simmers under the surface.
Brexit will leave the UK 'unstable' for decades with violence on the streets and independence referendums in Scotland and Northern Ireland, EU intelligence secret report warns

[vetran]

Can't make anything of this. EU fearmongering or a real threat.
Things seem normal so far but one can never tell what simmers under the surface.
Brexit will leave the UK 'unstable' for decades with violence on the streets and independence referendums in Scotland and Northern Ireland, EU intelligence secret report warns

We can borrow tear gas & water cannon from the French they seem to have plenty to waste.

[darmstadt]

We can borrow tear gas & water cannon from the French they seem to have plenty to waste.

That went well last time, another Brexiter **** up: Boris Johnson's unused water cannon sold for scrap at GBP300k loss - BBC News

[tazdevil]

A secret report by EU officials so not secret and not biased in any way? the trouble with mainland Europe is that they're a vindictive spiteful lot and only think they need us in times of conflict. But we're a resilient outgoing and friendly nation at heart that makes do and gets on however much we look like cats squabbling in a bag at the moment

[meridian]

A secret report by EU officials so not secret and not biased in any way? the trouble with mainland Europe is that they're a vindictive spiteful lot and only think they need us in times of conflict. But we're a resilient outgoing and friendly nation at heart that makes do and gets on however much we look like cats squabbling in a bag at the moment

Really? You think that the perception of the U.K. in Europe is of an outgoing and friendly nation, when the MEPs in there have done little but run down the EU for the past 20 years, the U.K. media has constantly run stories denigrating the EU, and the U.K. public and politicians seem to want continuous opt outs and special treatment? A nation that consistently and childishly describes Europeans as cheese-eating surrender monkeys and krauts?

Seems to me that the U.K. has been nothing more than a whiny petulant child for the past while. A nation that is still trying to ride on the coattails of past diplomacies but doesn’t have the skills any longer so screams and stamps to get what it wants.

[tazdevil]

Really? You think that the perception of the U.K. in Europe is of an outgoing and friendly nation, when the MEPs in there have done little but run down the EU for the past 20 years, the U.K. media has constantly run stories denigrating the EU, and the U.K. public and politicians seem to want continuous opt outs and special treatment? A nation that consistently and childishly describes Europeans as cheese-eating surrender monkeys and krauts?

Seems to me that the U.K. has been nothing more than a whiny petulant child for the past while. A nation that is still trying to ride on the coattails of past diplomacies but doesn’t have the skills any longer so screams and stamps to get what it wants.

You have your view and I have mine but we appear to agree that at least the Brits have character and with Brexit will get to keep it and reverse the trend by staying out of the grey cultural indifference of a an EU superstate

[meridian]

You have your view and I have mine but we appear to agree that at least the Brits have character and with Brexit will get to keep it and reverse the trend by staying out of the grey cultural indifference of a an EU superstate

Of course you have character, but where we differ is in the interpretation of a “grey cultural indifference” of the EU. We travel to France, Italy, Germany, Spain, etc to enjoy their cultural differences.

Think of this as tough love. The U.K. needs an intervention to get back to the potential it showed in 2012, but I don’t think that Brexit is it.

[tazdevil]

Of course you have character, but where we differ is in the interpretation of a “grey cultural indifference” of the EU. We travel to France, Italy, Germany, Spain, etc to enjoy their cultural differences.

But that's the point these cultural differences are disappearing over time. Much of that is globalisation but also the rise of the transnational state in Europe is accelerating it. Trading doesn't need to involve merging national interest. The EU is a project intent to homogenise the European nations but ultimately that's the wrong direction. We're just hopping off the bus early before it drives over a cliff

[meridian]

But that's the point these cultural differences are disappearing over time. Much of that is globalisation but also the rise of the transnational state in Europe is accelerating it. Trading doesn't need to involve merging national interest. The EU is a project intent to homogenise the European nations but ultimately that's the wrong direction. We're just hopping off the bus early before it drives over a cliff

??

Trading has always involved merging national interests. European royal families spent centuries marrying off to each other to merge their national interests.

But I suspect you really mean something else. To narrow it down, how do you see generic European culture watering down that of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, etc?

[DimPrawn]

Decades of instability, violence on the streets

So normal alcohol fuelled Saturday night in every major town and city then?