Ireland to enforce a hard border

[Cirrus]

Not Much Hope I'm Afraid

as we keep advising you, stick to insults as you're not very accomplished at anything else and just make a fool of yourself.

Sean McPosterBoy does not have the critical thinking capability, nor the emotional predisposition, to deal with ideological issues like politics. We've explained that to him. But there is a problem: that same syndrome of intellectual flaws prevents him from understanding what we are saying.

Catch 22

[meridian]

Ok sorry clearly not getting my point across.

So a few years back where I work we started to get a digital/agile team in and they were told no no no you cannot do that you ned to follow the prince 2 project process

and the digital guys said no no no we do not - this is new it is quick it has much value your old prince 2 methodology is mired in bureaucracy and limits value and delivery

The existing team did much frothing off the mouth and harrumphing and going all gammon like.

And then things start to change and it was found that you could actually get some really good quick value within the Agile framework and actually going through the old project process was found to have limited value.

So in order to try and quell this new thing that was going on all the old stagers obviously became blockers to try and stop them getting funding - long story short some person came in, gave the digital team £10 million quid and they then proved this worked.

And I draw parallels with that and Brexit - we are continually being told it will not work, it is a bad idea and generally we need to stay in the EU because it is what we have always done it and it has 'worked' and we are being told that by people with a vested interest in ensuring the EU exists to line their own pockets.

Except anyone who has ever been on a Prince 2 project will tell you that using the word 'worked' is a stretch.

Embracing change is scary but look here is another book.

Give me £10 million and I'll tell you everything is going to be honky-dory too.

You are correct that sometimes embracing change is scary. Here is another book for you:

UK goods and services schedules at the WTO - GOV.UK

[original PM]

Give me £10 million and I'll tell you everything is going to be honky-dory too.

You are correct that sometimes embracing change is scary. Here is another book for you:

UK goods and services schedules at the WTO - GOV.UK

Yes but the fact is until your break the status quo you cannot affect change.

Because we have done this over the past few years we are now really able to rip down these ridiculous barriers and silo's that have been built up over the years purely to cover the top man's ass at the expense of the companies ability to react quickly to market forces.

And it has been tough

and many people have gone shouty and red faced

and occasionally a punch may have been thrown

but things are better now - better than they were before.

So the pain and uncertainty were worth it in the long run.

[Old Greg]

Yes but the fact is until your break the status quo you cannot affect change.

Because we have done this over the past few years we are now really able to rip down these ridiculous barriers and silo's that have been built up over the years purely to cover the top man's ass at the expense of the companies ability to react quickly to market forces.

And it has been tough

and many people have gone shouty and red faced

and occasionally a punch may have been thrown

but things are better now - better than they were before.

So the pain and uncertainty were worth it in the long run.

You really do think this is applicable to leaving the EU. Classic.

[original PM]

You really do think this is applicable to leaving the EU. Classic.

It's applicable to any change you find yourself in the middle of with no influence over.

Maybe read one of the books I keep recommending.

[Old Greg]

It's applicable to any change you find yourself in the middle of with no influence over.

Maybe read one of the books I keep recommending.

As it happens I'm a fan of Kotter's Heart of Change. But it doesn't follow that an idea is a good idea because it is a change. If you think otherwise, you may as well apply for the UK to be ruled by North Korea.

The fact that you fail to understand the implications of the change that you want (e.g. you don't understand what it means to leave the CU and SM) suggests that you haven't a scooby and are part of the throw it all up in the air and see where it lands brigade. A veneer of change management theory doesn't make the idea any better.

[meridian]

Because we have done this over the past few years we are now really able to rip down these ridiculous barriers and silo's that have been built up over the years purely to cover the top man's ass at the expense of the companies ability to react quickly to market forces.

What on earth are you on about? The single market is the most efficient barrier-free market we will ever be a part of.

[tazdevil]

What on earth are you on about? The single market is the most efficient barrier-free market we will ever be a part of.

Most of the trade aspects of the EU aren't an issue and if the EU was only about trade there wouldn't have been Brexit but the EU is really about building a super state with it's centre being a long way from us and as such doesn't sit well with UK aspirations

[WTFH]

Most of the trade aspects of the EU aren't an issue and if the EU was only about trade there wouldn't have been Brexit but the EU is really about building a super state with it's centre being a long way from us and as such doesn't sit well with UK aspirations

So do you mean you'd like to stay in the SM & CU?

[Mordac]

What on earth are you on about? The single market is the most efficient barrier-free market we will ever be a part of.

Efficient? Not the word I'd have chosen.