Corbyn proposes a second referendum

[AtW]

So you are suggesting that the last act of this parliament is to renege on it manifesto pledge and the manifesto pledge of the major opposition party.

Parliament is Sovereign

[Yorkie62]

Being more specific is not the same as rephrasing. Does that help you understand now?

You you agree that he is proposing that the same question is asked but the out question is more specific. Ok then no deal must be on the ballot paper because it's the fait a compli and a perfectly valid option. In the same way we need to have remain under our existing ts and cs or remain complete with adaptation of the euro as our currency.

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[Old Greg]

You you agree that he is proposing that the same question is asked but the out question is more specific. Ok then no deal must be on the ballot paper because it's the fait a compli and a perfectly valid option. In the same way we need to have remain under our existing ts and cs or remain complete with adaptation of the euro as our currency.

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I am saying that you are wrong. It is not the same question. It is not a rephrasing of the first question. It is a more specific question.

No deal is not 'the fait a compli' (sic).

[stonehenge]

You you agree that he is proposing that the same question is asked but the out question is more specific. Ok then no deal must be on the ballot paper because it's the fait a compli and a perfectly valid option. In the same way we need to have remain under our existing ts and cs or remain complete with adaptation of the euro as our currency.

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This?

1) Leave with deal
2) Leave with no deal
3) Stay in the EU
4) Stay in the EU and join the Euro

[WTFH]

So you are suggesting that the last act of this parliament is to renege on it manifesto pledge and the manifesto pledge of the major opposition party.

Parliament didn’t make any manifesto pledges.

Political parties put things in manifestos and rely on the media and others to influence voters to vote for that party.

If manifestos were to be relied on, then the EU could argue that they should received £350million a week from the UK - it was in the Vote Leave Manifesto.
The EU could argue that they should have full control over the UK borders.
The EU could argue that they should have full control over the UK parliament...etc.
...Because Vote Leave said these things were truly happening in their manifesto.

The lies in a manifesto do not have to reflect reality, or be pledges guaranteeing what will happen in the future.

[Whorty]

You you agree that he is proposing that the same question is asked but the out question is more specific. Ok then no deal must be on the ballot paper because it's the fait a compli and a perfectly valid option. In the same way we need to have remain under our existing ts and cs or remain complete with adaptation of the euro as our currency.

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OK, think about it this way then ....

You're at home with the wife and 3 kids. You ask everyone if they want you to cook tonight, as normal, or have a takeaway.

You and the wife want you to cook.

The 3 kids want takeaway, so takeaway wins (get over it, you lost)

Problem is, the 3 kids can't agree on the takeaway they want. One wants Chinese, one wants Indian, one wants pizza.

After a few tantrums you and the wife step in and try to negotiate with the kids to choose one option. One kid backs down and says they'll change from pizza to Indian. The kid that wants Chinese hates curries, and sticks to wanting a chinese.

You say, ok guys. The question is now, do you want me to cook or do you want an Indian.

This is a different question. The kid that doesn't want Indian now chooses home cooked food instead.

If it was the same question kid 3 would have chosen takeaway again. It's now a different question and she chooses home cooked, something she rejected before she had the detailed information on what 'takeaway' meant.

Does this help, or do you need an adult to explain this to you?

[vetran]

Nop!

British Government to British People (2016) : Would you like super EU Cheese or risk the sky falling in if you vote leave and have the audacity to want ham?

British People (2016) : Ham please! No, you can't have ham its really pony illegally mislabelled in Poland.

People's Vote (2019) : Do you want to revert back to your old sandwich where the EU make you eat s**t?

FTFY.

[vetran]

OK, think about it this way then ....

You're at home with the wife and 3 kids. You ask everyone if they want you to cook tonight, as normal, or have a takeaway.

You and the wife want you to cook.

The 3 kids want takeaway, so takeaway wins (get over it, you lost)

Problem is, the 3 kids can't agree on the takeaway they want. One wants Chinese, one wants Indian, one wants pizza.

After a few tantrums you and the wife step in and try to negotiate with the kids to choose one option. One kid backs down and says they'll change from pizza to Indian. The kid that wants Chinese hates curries, and sticks to wanting a chinese.

You say, ok guys. The question is now, do you want me to cook or do you want an Indian.

This is a different question. The kid that doesn't want Indian now chooses home cooked food instead.

If it was the same question kid 3 would have chosen takeaway again. It's now a different question and she chooses home cooked, something she rejected before she had the detailed information on what 'takeaway' meant.

Does this help, or do you need an adult to explain this to you?

As usual the problem with that analogy being basically rowlocks Let me explain - is that "Lets eat " charges you £39 billion for waiting until you place your order and won't give you a menu with prices until after you order. Also if we eat at home your neighbour gets to tell you what you can cook and insist where the vegetables come from, they also levy a charge on your cooker. If we stay much longer they will billet a platoon in the conservatory.

remainers creating crap analogies since 2015!

its a divorce treat it as such, its not leaving a golf club, getting drunker sh1tfaced on our dime, a house purchase or ordering dinner.

[TestMangler]

As usual the problem with that analogy being basically rowlocks Let me explain - is that "Lets eat " charges you £39 billion for waiting until you place your order and won't give you a menu with prices until after you order. Also if we eat at home your neighbour gets to tell you what you can cook and insist where the vegetables come from, they also levy a charge on your cooker. If we stay much longer they will billet a platoon in the conservatory.

remainers creating crap analogies since 2015!

its a divorce treat it as such, its not leaving a golf club, getting drunker sh1tfaced on our dime, a house purchase or ordering dinner.

You say Whorty's analogy is 'rowlocks' then you come out with that steaming load of tulipe. You are a complete tit

[Old Greg]

You say Whorty's analogy is 'rowlocks' then you come out with that steaming load of tulipe. You are a complete tit

It made me chuckle as well.