Immigration White Paper: Post-Brexit migration plans unveiled

[Bean]

If you think that contractors are chosen solely by skill level then you are deluded. I have seen so many non European contractors on fast track visas working for crap money and giving a crap service.

I will never forget a very good Polish contractor get the chop when a Nigerian arrived to replace him. The. Nigerian had the cheek to phone him a week later and asked how to do his job.

If you think contractors are chosen solely on price, then you are equally deluded.

Let’s ask a prominent business owner on the forum;

AtW: What factors do you take into account when hiring, is it just price, just skills, others, or a mix?

[meridian]

Entry level jobs are not for contractors, they are for graduates.

Students learning STEM fields is a different story, that also needs addressing by UK govs, to promote them, as has already been mooted by many.

HTH BIDI

Yah, good one. All those people leaving Uni with no experience walking straight into contracting roles....

[original PM]

The thing is the rates will become what the markets can take.

Most businesses will quickly realise (as many already do) that sometimes getting in low paid staff does not always generate the expected benefits.

And so they will pay more to get the right combination of skill and qualities they want - and that has not changed for contractors for years and is the reason for the need to keep your skill set up to date.

As a business you simply need to see it as another threat and find a way to counter it.

[meridian]

The thing is the rates will become what the markets can take.

Most businesses will quickly realise (as many already do) that sometimes getting in low paid staff does not always generate the expected benefits.

And so they will pay more to get the right combination of skill and qualities they want - and that has not changed for contractors for years and is the reason for the need to keep your skill set up to date.

As a business you simply need to see it as another threat and find a way to counter it.

The larger (FTSE100) companies I work for neither know nor care what the low paid staff actually get. They sign the contract with Accenture, TCS, IBM, Wipro, etc to get a job done, for better or for worse.

The only benefit that they measure in terms of resourcing is whether the project is delivered on time for the budget provided.

Which is nice for experienced contractors as we come in and hoover up the mistakes, but it’s not going to stop the bodyshops.

Which is why I am contending that if it is difficult now against those outfits, it will be even more so in the future if “IT” is designated as an open-visa skill and the floodgates are opened.

[AtW]

If you think contractors are chosen solely on price, then you are equally deluded.

Let’s ask a prominent business owner on the forum;

AtW: What factors do you take into account when hiring, is it just price, just skills, others, or a mix?

We invest into training people

[Zigenare]

We invest into training people

You rip the piss out of a country that gave you shelter and opportunity. Maybe you should **** off to Berlin.

[NotAllThere]

The thing is the rates will become what the markets can take.

With this kind of immigration, that'll be very low rates then.

Most businesses will quickly realise (as many already do) that sometimes getting in low paid staff does not always generate the expected benefits.

You (and I) wish! I'm afraid my experience is that one a business reaches a particular size, quality can go **** itself.

Anyway, now we know what taking control of our borders and immigration means. Giving businesses to power to recruit skilled talent worldwide, rather than just the EU.

Makes me glad to live in a country where citizens and residents come first, then EU, then 3rd countries.

[AtW]

You rip the piss out of a country that gave you shelter and opportunity. Maybe you should **** off to Berlin.

I am investing into this country 7 digit amount every year.

[Brussels Slumdog]

Every contract that I see advertised in my SAP market usually states ASAP, which normally means Monday morning.
I doubt whether you will see the term ASAYVA.(As soon as your visa arrives)

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[Bean]

We invest in training people

FTFY

Seriously though, are you trying to say you hire the cheapest (without the skills), then train them up?

I.e. you wouldn’t use bodyshop workers...or contractors