Fairtrade and Brexit

[meridian]

Not a bad paper, dispels quite a few myths about food tariffs, EBA and EPA, etc.

https://www.fairtrade.org.uk/~/media...ber%202018.pdf

[sasguru]

Not a bad paper, dispels quite a few myths about food tariffs, EBA and EPA, etc.

https://www.fairtrade.org.uk/~/media...ber%202018.pdf

You're (1) asking Brexiters to read and understand something and (2) give a fook about some foreigners.

Really, you do take optimism to a whole new level.

[vetran]

hmm

These arrangements do differ
but for good reasons. None of the major banana exporters
have Least-Developed Country (LDC) status6
and so do not
qualify for the EU’s duty-free, quota-free scheme, ‘Everything
But Arms’ (EBA).7
However, most do still have duty-free and
quota-free access as members of the African, Caribbean
and Pacific (ACP) Group of countries with whom the EU has
Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs).

Without a Withdrawal Agreement, this preferential
access will be at risk next year (2019).

Without bilateral deals in place, these
developing countries would be reliant on the UK’s unilateral offer
through a new preference scheme, or on the ‘Most Favoured
Nation’ (MFN) rates agreed through the WTO, based on the
principle of non-discrimination. The UK’s current position is
to duplicate both the EU Generalised System of Preferences
(GSP)13 and the EU’s WTO schedules14 in the first instance and
so as bananas are currently excluded from the EU’s GSP, falling
back on these mechanisms would see an increase

all looks terrible and the mean old UK are bound to mistreat these johnny foreigners until you read this

Fairtrade exists to get a better deal for producers and
workers in developing countries. Globally, there are 1.66m
Fairtrade producers in 73 countries, and the UK is one
of the more developed consumer markets. In 2016, the
retail value of Fairtrade products in the UK was £1.6bn
and in 2017, we saw growth of 7 percent thanks to new
commitments in categories like flowers and wine.

https://wfto.com/about-us/history-wf...ory-fair-trade

The earliest traces of Fair Trade in Europe date from the late 1950s when Oxfam UK started to sell crafts made by Chinese refugees in Oxfam shops. In 1964, it created the first Fair Trade Organisation. Parallel initiatives were taking place in the Netherlands and in 1967 the importing organisation, Fair Trade Original, was established.

oh so the UK started the movement in Europe but only the EU can save us....

You remoaners really are a lot thick.

[meridian]

hmm

all looks terrible and the mean old UK are bound to mistreat these johnny foreigners until you read this

https://wfto.com/about-us/history-wf...ory-fair-trade

oh so the UK started the movement in Europe but only the EU can save us....
You remoaners really are a lot thick.

Jesus wept, that’s literally not what it says at all.

- there are multiple EU agreements of which the U.K. is currently a part, that will need to be replicated in order just to retain the same levels of access for Fairtrade countries
- the common Brexiter argument that food will be cheaper is not as simple as it looks. Firstly, most Fairtrade countries have 0% tariffs. Secondly, tariffs and quotas on some producers (eg Brazil) are there as a disincentive for them to export so that less well off countries are not disadvantaged.

[sasguru]

Jesus wept, that’s literally not what it says at all.

- there are multiple EU agreements of which the U.K. is currently a part, that will need to be replicated in order just to retain the same levels of access for Fairtrade countries
- the common Brexiter argument that food will be cheaper is not as simple as it looks. Firstly, most Fairtrade countries have 0% tariffs. Secondly, tariffs and quotas on some producers (eg Brazil) are there as a disincentive for them to export so that less well off countries are not disadvantaged.

You're not saying that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about, are you? Shirley not.

[meridian]

You're not saying that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about, are you? Shirley not.

Sorry, I should have listened to your first post in this thread...

[vetran]

Jesus wept, that’s literally not what it says at all.

- there are multiple EU agreements of which the U.K. is currently a part, that will need to be replicated in order just to retain the same levels of access for Fairtrade countries
- the common Brexiter argument that food will be cheaper is not as simple as it looks. Firstly, most Fairtrade countries have 0% tariffs. Secondly, tariffs and quotas on some producers (eg Brazil) are there as a disincentive for them to export so that less well off countries are not disadvantaged.

these are voluntary tariffs that the EU negotiated. They however did not see fit to make them part of the standard agreement.

The Fairtrade movement is well supported in the UK and is very likely to honour these tariffs.

All the paper says its a risk. You are presenting it as a forgone conclusion. You know the plan is transfer the current status to UK law and then deal with untangling 40 years of legislation one by one.

I never mentioned food being cheaper but in many cases it does seem likely.

Fairtrade however is a special case where shops buy goods at a premium and use the logo to supply a need to feel that we are trading fairly with certain countries, that need will still be there and it will still happen it just won't need the EU involved.

This constant assumption that if the EU has previously interfered we will be unable to trade without them is rather sad.

[vetran]

You're not saying that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about, are you? Shirley not.

sorry I am being infected by remoaneritus. I obviously have started talking bollux.

There is no choice but the EU, its the biggest mistake the UK ever made (joining it I mean - I'm feeling better).

Next I will believe in fairies.

[sasguru]

sorry I am being infected by remoaneritus. I obviously have started talking bollux.

There is no choice but the EU, its the biggest mistake the UK ever made (joining it I mean - I'm feeling better).

Next I will believe in fairies.

Have you ever considered that you're too stupid to understand the debate?
After all you obviously weren't the sharpest tool at school, the invention of t'internet whereby you can emit your brain farts hasn't changed that one iota.

[NotAllThere]

You're not saying that vetran (sic) doesn't know what he's talking about, are you? Shirley not.

Give him a little credit. At least he tried to read.