The forgotten Brits

[DimPrawn]

Yep, you tell those poor sods at JLR that everything is going well. I'm sure they'll agree with you.

You mean the ones making overpriced, hugely unreliable fuel guzzlers?

[Whorty]

You mean the ones making overpriced, hugely unreliable fuel guzzlers?

No, I mean the ones who will potentially lose their jobs, their homes and their dignity when JLR are forced to lay off workers.

But hey, you Brexidiots only care about yourselves so I can see why this wouldn't bother you.

[original PM]

No, I mean the ones who will potentially lose their jobs, their homes and their dignity when JLR are forced to lay off workers.

But hey, you Brexidiots only care about yourselves so I can see why this wouldn't bother you.

Which has been caused by a down turn in diesel vehicle sales.

Look the big cheese of JLR will not turn around and so they fooked up with their strategy, should have seen the demise of diesel cars and therefore done something strategic to minimise the impact.

So they will say it's to do with diesel sales and erm Brexit

but all we be okay in the new year because erm Brexit has not happened yet.

[darmstadt]

Which has been caused by a down turn in diesel vehicle sales.

Look the big cheese of JLR will not turn around and so they fooked up with their strategy, should have seen the demise of diesel cars and therefore done something strategic to minimise the impact.

So they will say it's to do with diesel sales and erm Brexit

but all we be okay in the new year because erm Brexit has not happened yet.

And this:

He pointed out it was now cheaper for the company to make cars in Slovakia than Britain.

Which is in part caused by Brexit due to the way the pound has fluctuated

[Whorty]

Which has been caused by a down turn in diesel vehicle sales.

Look the big cheese of JLR will not turn around and so they fooked up with their strategy, should have seen the demise of diesel cars and therefore done something strategic to minimise the impact.

So they will say it's to do with diesel sales and erm Brexit

but all we be okay in the new year because erm Brexit has not happened yet.

I don't think anyone denies that JLR would be struggling even without Brexit, due to governments around the world changing their policies on diesel. But (and this might be hard for you to understand) Brexit could become a major factor going forward and cause people to lose their jobs- the straw that broke the camels back.

Without Brexit, and with a stronger pound and economy and frictionless trade, then JLR could be in a stronger position to work through its issues. Post Brexit it will struggle and the pain won't be felt by top management, or our ineffectual politicians, but by the worker on the shop floor.

Brexit is weakening some UK based companies, to such an extent that some may not survive. Very few companies are claiming they will be stronger after Brexit (ignore Dyson, they only want Brexit so they can get their overpriced tat made even cheaper in far flung lands).

Bet hey, as a Brexidiot you clearly don;t care about companies struggling and people losing their jobs, so long as there are less foreign chappies coming over here. Typical selfish attitude of a Brexidiot.

[original PM]

I don't think /snip/, so long as there are less foreign chappies coming over here. Typical selfish attitude of a Brexidiot.

I resent the fact you imply I am racist.

Other than that you are entitled to your point of view.

Do you think if we had stayed in the EU things would continually have gotten better?

[GreenMirror]

No, I mean the ones who will potentially lose their jobs, their homes and their dignity when JLR are forced to lay off workers.

If you read the recent stories about JLR workers you will find the workers already lost their dignity.

Though I doubt you will lose your dignity. You never had any.

[Whorty]

I resent the fact you imply I am racist.

Other than that you are entitled to your point of view.

Do you think if we had stayed in the EU things would continually have gotten better?

I don't think I called you a racist, I think I inferred that as a Brexit voter one of your key issues is immigration and by voting Brexit you want to "control our borders" and reduce said immigration.

Immigration was a key issue for the majority of Brexit voters; are you suggesting that those leave voters who see immigration as a key issue are racists?

If immigration was not a reason for you voting out, and clearly improving our economic situation can't be your reason given there is absolutely zero evidence that we will be better off as a nation under Brexit, then, can I ask, what the fook did you vote out for? Was it really just so that you could get a nice blue passport?

To answer your question, I can safely say that if we stay in Europe we will be no worse off and will have a major say in EU policy going forward (using our political, financial and right of veto influence) and can choose to guide any policy (as we have always done) to the betterment of UK citizens. Leaving, it is painfully obvious, will make many many UK citizens worse off. If we sary in will we be better off than today, not necessarily, but will we be better off than if we leave, then yes absolutely.

Now come on dear fellow, pray tell exactly why you voted out and how you believe the UK will be better off. And please, no reference to buses, JRM's magic money tree or any other such made up gubbins. Show us, neigh convince us, how we will be better off under Brexit than staying in the EU.

[meridian]

I resent the fact you imply I am racist.

Other than that you are entitled to your point of view.

Do you think if we had stayed in the EU things would continually have gotten better?

Yes, I do. It that wouldn’t have been because of the EU per se, but because we would be starting from a stable base.

In my opinion, successive U.K. governments have stuffed a lot of people in our regions. Austerity, local council cutbacks, poor planning decisions, white elephant development projects with little RoI. Staying in the EU won’t fix that, but neither will leaving the EU.

If we leave, however, then rather than having a base of 100 to start from we now have to renegotiate everything worldwide, set up new agencies, redistribute CAP and regional development funding (ha!), etc. We’re starting 20 paces back and need to do an awful lot of work with a lot of extra cost just to get back to the same base we left, before even trying to sort out the actual problems.

And who’s going to pay that extra cost? We all are. How long is it going to take? This is our useless Parliament we’re talking about, it’ll take years just to get back to that stable base. Will anything be better? Not until we fix the internal problems, instead of blaming the EU for them.

[AtW]

"Local authorities across the region have backed Brexit amid joyous scenes for out campaigners. Overall in the West Midlands 1,755,687 people voted for Leave, while 1,207,175 voted Remain. The results have mirrored an Express & Star poll which saw potential voters from across the Black Country and Staffs indicate they would vote Leave. A total of 80 per cent of almost 8,000 readers who took part in the poll said they would vote Leave, while Boris Johnson was rated as the politician most likely to influence voters' decisions. "

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/...midlands-vote/

Will of the people, innit?