How to change a remainers mind

[WTFH]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/704794...rexit-verdict/



oh dear! The losers have realised they were wrong all along.

Hey, OldBean, if you want to change a remainer's mind, present them with facts about what the UK is doing, and plans for where the UK is going. If all your "facts" are just about how the EU is at fault for everything ever, and how anyone who asks questions about "our glorious future under unelected Nige, JRM, BoJo" is weak, etc, then don't expect to change the mind of anyone with any intelligence. You'll get plenty of smilies from leave supporters though.

[tomtomagain]

Doesn't matter if anyone or everyone has changed their minds. There's not going to be a second referendum.

[BlasterBates]

Doesn't matter if anyone or everyone has changed their minds. There's not going to be a second referendum.

Indeed it would be a shame if it were to be reversed now just as it's getting interesting.

[BlasterBates]

Brexit is going to be a very important and seminal lesson. Trump is on course to reverse his protectionist policies, therefore leaving the illusion that protectionism is good, but Brexit won't be reversed so the consequences will be splattered all over the world for everyone to see and take note.

[sasguru]

Doesn't matter if anyone or everyone has changed their minds. There's not going to be a second referendum.

I think there might very well be.
As Robert Harrris said:
"Strongly suspect there will be 2nd referendum, not for any noble reason, but because MPs will desperately want to hand the screaming, defecating, vomiting baby back to its parents — the electorate — & let them decide what to do with it"

[GreenMirror]

Well I voted leave last time and I’ll vote remain next time.

Go figure...

So that's 100% across the country then.

If a women if not pregnant one day, pregnant the next, then at her end of term will give birth to 280 babies.

[scooterscot]

Listen.. if there was a 2nd referendum and leave won I'd give it my full support.

For two years now people have had an chance to understand what the real impact can be / would be. No one was this well informed 2 years ago.

[tomtomagain]

I think there might very well be.

I don't think so. It would rely on a very unlikely set of circumstances.

The government would have to legislate to hold a second referendum, the question would have to be agreed. I don't see HMG introducing such a bill to the Commons. And if they did, there's no guarantee it would pass and having such a bill would undermine the UK's negotiating position.

Neither Labour or the Tories had a pledge to hold a second ref. in their manifesto's. In fact, both pledged to implement the result of the first referendum. So one or both parties would have to go change their position significantly. And like it or not, the Labour and Conservative positions are far closer than they would both like to admit. The Liberals are the only party who have actively opposed BREXIT - and they got thumped at the last election.

Next issue is that the EU Withdrawal Bill is law, its passed through both houses and will come into effect on 29th March 2019 - repealing the laws that brought the UK into EU in the first place. That would need to be amended. Legally BREXIT has already happened.

You couldn't have a second ref until "The Deal" was agreed - and that's going to be very late in the day/down-to-the-wire. And of course you'd need to have an agreement with the EU that they would accept the UK back in and that needs to be agreed by the 27 countries. Anyone of which can veto.

If "The Deal" is agreed in January, there would only be a few short weeks to get a referendum organised and held. There's not enough time.


Finally, there's no reason to believe that even if a second ref. were held, the result would probably be any different. The "Remain" argument would be easy to shred in the noisy hysteria-fest that is modern journalism. There was no immediate recession. There was no immediate loss of jobs. It would be vey easy to portray the second. ref as the "Elite" trying to tell you they know best, ignoring the democratic will of the people and the EU was bullying, inflexible institution unwilling to listen to the concerns of the British people.

[Zigenare]

I don't think so. It would rely on a very unlikely set of circumstances.

The government would have to legislate to hold a second referendum, the question would have to be agreed. I don't see HMG introducing such a bill to the Commons. And if they did, there's no guarantee it would pass and having such a bill would undermine the UK's negotiating position.

Neither Labour or the Tories had a pledge to hold a second ref. in their manifesto's. In fact, both pledged to implement the result of the first referendum. So one or both parties would have to go change their position significantly. And like it or not, the Labour and Conservative positions are far closer than they would both like to admit. The Liberals are the only party who have actively opposed BREXIT - and they got thumped at the last election.

Next issue is that the EU Withdrawal Bill is law, its passed through both houses and will come into effect on 29th March 2019 - repealing the laws that brought the UK into EU in the first place. That would need to be amended. Legally BREXIT has already happened.

You couldn't have a second ref until "The Deal" was agreed - and that's going to be very late in the day/down-to-the-wire. And of course you'd need to have an agreement with the EU that they would accept the UK back in and that needs to be agreed by the 27 countries. Anyone of which can veto.

If "The Deal" is agreed in January, there would only be a few short weeks to get a referendum organised and held. There's not enough time.


Finally, there's no reason to believe that even if a second ref. were held, the result would probably be any different. The "Remain" argument would be easy to shred in the noisy hysteria-fest that is modern journalism. There was no immediate recession. There was no immediate loss of jobs. It would be vey easy to portray the second. ref as the "Elite" trying to tell you they know best, ignoring the democratic will of the people and the EU was bullying, inflexible institution unwilling to listen to the concerns of the British people.

You've not quite grasped the purpose of this sub-forum, have you?

[AtW]

Doesn't matter if anyone or everyone has changed their minds. There's not going to be a second referendum.

Second referendum is inevitable - the only question is whether it will be about cancelling madness of Brexit or reapplying back to EU