NI and other UK borders

[vetran]

The UK is being forced to put in and policing a hard border on the island of Ireland.
No matter how it is sold by some, if there are border checkpoints of any description, then it's a hard border.

FTFY - The UK Government proposed a soft border, the peace loving and omnipresent EU is demanding a hard border.

sorry did you miss that bit?

[vetran]

I understand the hard border bit, I just want to know why you think it would restart The Troubles?

because that fits the EU's plan. The fact the IRA etc are no longer being funded by the Americans escapes them.

[WTFH]

I understand the hard border bit, I just want to know why you think it would restart The Troubles?

The desire of Irish nationalists is to have a united Ireland.
During The Troubles, the Irish border was heavily patrolled and guarded in Northern Ireland, with checkpoints on major roads and some minor roads closed off.

As a result of the peace process and the GFA, the border is currently a few signposts and a line on maps. There are no queues to cross, there are no delays, there are no police/military checkpoints inspecting all vehicles, blink and you'll miss it.
Creating a hard border is moving away from that. It is (in the minds of some) a sign that "The British" are creating a hard division on the island and going back to the bad old days. It's a sign saying "keep out" or "you're not welcome". It could even be seen as a sign of aggression.
The DUP and unionists like this idea because it reinforces the ties between NI and GB, while reducing and breaking the ties between NI & RoI. Nationalists don't like it for exactly the same reasons.
The demilitarisation of NI is at a very advanced stage. Very few troops left, very few armed terrorists left. Bringing back the border patrols will be akin to bringing back troops. And I don't think the Irish nationalists will be all smiles about that.

[WTFH]

I understand the hard border bit, I just want to know why you think it would restart The Troubles?

FTFY - The UK Government proposed a soft border, the peace loving and omnipresent EU is demanding a hard border.

sorry did you miss that bit?

Look, Old Bean, The_Equalizer and I were having a civilised discussion. Do you think you could keep your nose out, or at least sit back and try to learn something.

There is currently a soft border. Any change to that would be no border at all or a hard border, doesn't matter how you spin it.

[darmstadt]

FTFY - The UK Government proposed a soft border, the peace loving and omnipresent EU is demanding a hard border.

sorry did you miss that bit?

What part of leaving the EU do you not understand?

[vetran]

What part of leaving the EU do you not understand?

as part of the negotiations to leave and retain a soft border the EU have made it clear they are not happy with a soft border. Options left are a hard border between north & south or in the Irish sea both of which will give various factions the opportunity to try to restart the troubles.

[AtW]

FTFY - The UK Government proposed a soft border, the peace loving and omnipresent EU is demanding a hard border.

Why would not UK have soft border with France?

Why did UK insist on being outside of Shengen zone?

Why does UK insist on having control of its borders, whilst at the same time expecting others won't?

[vetran]

1.Why would not UK have soft border with France?

2.Why did UK insist on being outside of Shengen zone?

3.Why does UK insist on having control of its borders, whilst at the same time expecting others won't?

1. because even with our customs officers in Calais we have a real problem with illegal immigrants.
2. see 1 among other reasons.
3. We are leaving the EU they are our borders. Ireland however doesn't want hard borders because of its history so we tried to help.

[AtW]

1. because even with our customs officers in Calais we have a real problem with illegal immigrants.

It's one of the least real problems in this country.

Real problem is lack of education and lack of desire to fix it.

Ireland however doesn't want hard borders because of its history so we tried to help.

So hard border outside Ireland then, simples. Ah wait, it's not because fruitcakes from DUP won't stand for it

[vetran]

Look, Old Bean, The_Equalizer and I were having a civilised discussion. Do you think you could keep your nose out, or at least sit back and try to learn something.

There is currently a soft border. Any change to that would be no border at all or a hard border, doesn't matter how you spin it.

Sorry was just trying to educate you as you missed the salient point. There was not a wish in the UK to have a hard border but to achieve that we need all sides to cooperate.