The Pub Analogy

[1manshow]

we are off the off licence and being one of the top 4 contributors to the "hotel California" we can watch the pub close without us! Or wait for the Russians to take it over.

I think we are all hoping we can go back to how we were before we were lied to about the common market. Just imagine Drunker having his own Army.

If the UK could go back to how it was before it joined all those years ago, I would probably not be in favour of it (due to economic reasons) but I wouldn't really mind it. But the way it is now, I feel like nothing will really change, except we will become poorer - and there will be no real immigration changes (due to trying to fix the economy).

It's like those IT projects where you promise the world, and deliver a load of crap in the end .

I am happy to be proven wrong.

[original PM]

If the UK could go back to how it was before it joined all those years ago, I would probably not be in favour of it (due to economic reasons) but I wouldn't really mind it. But the way it is now, I feel like nothing will really change, except we will become poorer - and there will be no real immigration changes (due to trying to fix the economy).

It's like those IT projects where you promise the world, and deliver a load of crap in the end .

I am happy to be proven wrong.

But like those it projects if you don't follow the upgrade path it will be more troublesome and expensive in the future.

[BlasterBates]

If the UK could go back to how it was before it joined all those years ago, I would probably not be in favour of it (due to economic reasons) but I wouldn't really mind it. But the way it is now, I feel like nothing will really change, except we will become poorer - and there will be no real immigration changes (due to trying to fix the economy).

It's like those IT projects where you promise the world, and deliver a load of crap in the end .

I am happy to be proven wrong.

Indeed

In fact the UK will end up where it would have ended up if it hadn't joined in the first place.

For Jacob Rees-Mogg the penny has finally dropped.

Jacob Rees-Mogg warns Brexit will be the greatest national humiliation since Suez

[vetran]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...growth-economy

not really seeing the EU effect.

GDP growth did swing less from 1979 but many would suggest that was due to Maggie.

Do tell us how the EU affected our GDP etc. Make them small words as we aren't brilliant remoaners.

[meridian]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...growth-economy

not really seeing the EU effect.

GDP growth did swing less from 1979 but many would suggest that was due to Maggie.

Do tell us how the EU affected our GDP etc. Make them small words as we aren't brilliant remoaners.

Small words:
If we can agree on at least two things:
- UK trade within the SM reduces trade costs by the elimination of trade barriers
- the calculation of GDP includes both private consumption and government spending, among other things

Then it’s self-evident that membership of the EU increased our GDP through both reduction in costs, and the influx of EU migrants that added to the UK’s private consumption and govt spending. Whether you think either of these things is good or bad wasn’t the question, of course.

What you want to find out is how much the UK’s GDP would have increased by if we weren’t members. IMO GDP is a flawed measure anyway, it’s like measuring the debt of a country to tell how successful it is.


Long words:

http://www.smf.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...-Evidence-.pdf

[vetran]

Small words:
If we can agree on at least two things:
- UK trade within the SM reduces trade costs by the elimination of trade barriers
- the calculation of GDP includes both private consumption and government spending, among other things

Then it’s self-evident that membership of the EU increased our GDP through both reduction in costs, and the influx of EU migrants that added to the UK’s private consumption and govt spending. Whether you think either of these things is good or bad wasn’t the question, of course.

What you want to find out is how much the UK’s GDP would have increased by if we weren’t members. IMO GDP is a flawed measure anyway, it’s like measuring the debt of a country to tell how successful it is.


Long words:

http://www.smf.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...-Evidence-.pdf

ok YOU believe that joining the EU positively affected the GDP. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that in the figures - so I call bulltulip! If you have some proper evidence do please supply it.

[meridian]

ok YOU believe that joining the EU positively affected the GDP. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of that in the figures - so I call bulltulip! If you have some proper evidence do please supply it.

I’d use crayons, but SB’s mum still hasn’t given them back to him.

You’ve missed a few words off your statement “joining the EU positively affected the GDP” - “compared to what our GDP would have been if we had not joined the EU”.

[vetran]

I’d use crayons, but SB’s mum still hasn’t given them back to him.

You’ve missed a few words off your statement “joining the EU positively affected the GDP” - “compared to what our GDP would have been if we had not joined the EU”.

As our GDP growth was not heading consistently negative its difficult to suggest that we would have seen much worse GDP if we hadn't joined. It varied and then stabilised to smaller variations after 1979. That wasn't joining the EU.

I think if you asked people whether they want to be part of a common market they would say yes, however it evolved into the EU and they lied about the journey that is why most people want out.

[BlasterBates]

I think if you asked people whether they want to be part of a common market they would say yes.

You mean single market.

indeed, and that is precisely where the UK will end up.

[vetran]

You mean single market.

indeed, and that is precisely where the UK will end up.

No I mean the common market

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ferendum,_1975


If you are trying to say that the 5th largest economy with an export deficit won't have anyone willing to trade with it then that would be a bit of a surprise. Not everyone is pro EU around the world.