Finally, we're discussing trade!

[northernladyuk]

'The prophets of a new remainia' - has a better ring to it
HTH

I like that too. At least it is not using the hard right propaganda technique of smearing opponents with the language of treachery and terrorism.

[original PM]

Interesting quote here

French Le Monde writes about “The ample concessions of Theresa May”, claiming,

"Put under a back-breaking ultimatum by the European Union, Theresa May conceded on the key points that had remained unresolved…[She] suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the European Commission, not just on the divorce bill – €50 billion instead of the €20 billion initially accepted – but also on Ireland and the competence of the European Court of Justice, even if the Europeans have conceded on this point as well."

Interesting use of the word defeat.

Defeat implies winners and losers - it implies someone is playing a game - a game which involves peoples lives

And the games are being played by the EU because they do not want their house of cards to fall.

Which is why I'm oot.

[northernladyuk]

Interesting quote here

French Le Monde writes about “The ample concessions of Theresa May”, claiming,

"Put under a back-breaking ultimatum by the European Union, Theresa May conceded on the key points that had remained unresolved…[She] suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the European Commission, not just on the divorce bill – €50 billion instead of the €20 billion initially accepted – but also on Ireland and the competence of the European Court of Justice, even if the Europeans have conceded on this point as well."

Interesting use of the word defeat.

Defeat implies winners and losers - it implies someone is playing a game - a game which involves peoples lives

And the games are being played by the EU because they do not want their house of cards to fall.

Which is why I'm oot.

That is quite some case you have built around a single word in a French newspaper. If you saw the position painted in a different way in another newspaper, would you be back in again?

[BlasterBates]

The Sun, Daily Mail, and the Daily Express have a much more conciliatory tone than Le Monde, I'm sure the editors of Le Monde could learn how to be humble and less jingoistic by reading them on a regular basis.

[BlasterBates]

Barnier has just informed the press that the UK won't be party to EU FTAs with other countries during the transition, the UK has to sort themselves out with their own replacement FTA's, eg South Korea, Switzerland and Norway etc

[original PM]

That is quite some case you have built around a single word in a French newspaper. If you saw the position painted in a different way in another newspaper, would you be back in again?

Thanks I though so too...

If I thought the EU government and politicians could be trusted to act like mature adult humans and not spoiled petulant children then maybe I would consider it but until then nah.

[BlasterBates]

Thanks I though so too...

If I thought the EU government and politicians could be trusted to act like mature adult humans and not spoiled petulant children then maybe I would consider it but until then nah.

If only they could emulate the great statesmanlike politicians in the UK, Boris, Michael Gove etc

[darmstadt]

Thanks I though so too...

If I thought the EU government and politicians could be trusted to act like mature adult humans and not spoiled petulant children then maybe I would consider it but until then nah.

[original PM]

If only they could emulate the great statesmanlike politicians in the UK, Boris, Michael Gove etc

Hey no where did I say the Uk government was any better.

But at least with Brexit we only have 1 set of lying ******* to deal with and not two.

[BlasterBates]

Barnier backtracks and hints at Swiss style deal