Brexit Betrayal

[original PM]

As a Londoner, I reckon the further you go from the Capital the less they get given back relative to the taxes they pay.

In North Wales its even worse as the Welsh Assembly only cares about South Wales.

https://nation.cymru/2017/the-week-j...e-waste-money/

Welsh is not a waste of money. However it needs prioritising correctly. Behind hospitals, dentists and teaching. The Welsh are great people(apart from PC) - they deserve better.

I completely agree the Welsh people deserve more.

And you can see by the decline of the north wales costly towns how much the welsh assembly does care about them - the likes of Rhyl and Prestatyn used to be top notch seaside resorts when i was growing up - now they are terrible places.

They would almost be better going up with Chester/Cheshire and becoming English - not that would ever happen!

[meridian]

Brexit Betrayal

Interestingly speaking to a welsh friend who is most upset about Brexit.

Because a lot of Wales is apparently propped up by EU subsidies.

I questioned whether he thought it was acceptable for a once great country like Wales to be reduced to scavenging for scraps from kitchen bins of the EU or should the Welsh get their act together.

Perhaps this thread from a Welshman will explain why they need to accept subsidies from the EU.

Tl;dr: the Tories closed down the mines, provided no replacement opportunities, are never going to get elected there so have no need to provide their own subsidies or assistance. The EU is helping because our own government won’t.

https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/942686004787458048

[original PM]

Perhaps this thread from a Welshman will explain why they need to accept subsidies from the EU.

Tl;dr: the Tories closed down the mines, provided no replacement opportunities, are never going to get elected there so have no need to provide their own subsidies or assistance. The EU is helping because our own government won’t.

https://twitter.com/jonworth/status/942686004787458048

You mean the ones labour closed?

Pit closures were a Labour policy; Wilson shut twice as many as Thatcher – The People's Charter Foundation

[meridian]

You mean the ones labour closed?

Pit closures were a Labour policy; Wilson shut twice as many as Thatcher – The People's Charter Foundation

Overall point remains the same. The EU needs to do something because our own government won’t.

[original PM]

Overall point remains the same. The EU needs to do something because our own government won’t.

Ok well one of the reason I voted to leave was so the Uk government could concentrate on supporting these people all over the country.

And not to leave it to the EU.

Thing to remember is just giving these people free money will not help their situation - it is just temporary.

we need to look at where they live and the viability of what infrastructure can be built to allow them to support themselves longer term.

[meridian]

Ok well one of the reason I voted to leave was so the Uk government could concentrate on supporting these people all over the country.

And not to leave it to the EU.

Thing to remember is just giving these people free money will not help their situation - it is just temporary.

we need to look at where they live and the viability of what infrastructure can be built to allow them to support themselves longer term.

From that post I’m honestly not sure if you’re a socialist or a capitalist.

[original PM]

From that post I’m honestly not sure if you’re a socialist or a capitalist.

Neither try a co-operative and that would be nearer the mark.

But the issue of the welsh valleys and the loss of the mines is not that different from any area which relied on large amounts of low skilled manual labour - Liverpool and the loss of the majority of the dockwork for 1 example.

The problem is that those areas put little value in literacy or education - and even now 1 and a half generations on you are only starting to see that change.

But digging rocks out of the ground with your hands is simply not something we should see people doing in 21st century UK - closing the mines was bad but it has probably saved thousands of lives from that fate.

No easy answers but they are out there - it relies on both government investment and the population rising to the challenge of change.