A Brexit Thread from Someone who Didn't Vote

[Bean]

Or maybe I said the exact opposite.

Most products sold in/to the EU will only have a CE mark on them. The exceptions will be where a specific country has tighter standards than the European ones, in which case both marks may appear, or where Europe does not have a standard - in which case the product is only approved for sale in one country.

So in most cases........

and just to reiterate again, negotiations are currently ongoing/incomplete/subject to agreement

The current hierarchy for Europe is:
ISO/IEC - International
CEN - European
BSI/DIN/etc - Country specific.

There are not standards at ISO level for everything.
In most cases the country-specific standard gets discussed among the CEN group and is then adopted as CEN standards.
So you will see, for example, BS EN 12195, but there isn’t an equivalent of BS1192. Then there’s ISO 13567, which is similar to BS1192, but if there is a difference between the two standards, then in the UK BS1192 overrides ISO 13567.

Wait, so currently exporters into the UK may already have to stamp a UK specific standard on some products? You were implying they would all stop if they had to do that post-brexit......


Just to be clear, I do get your point - but;
A) It may be relatively moot
B) It's not the majority of cases
C) Some exporters already have to do this (thanks for your example)

[Bee]

Exactly. My statement that you originally quoted was directed at somebody else, as part of an ongoing conversation which, you haven't familiarised yourself with.

Feck

[Bean]

Stop Brexit Pessimism says Liam

and

While he was committed to getting a deal with the EU, he said

"The UK was prepared for alternative scenarios and contingency planning was taking place for no agreement being possible. "

So, hopefully those plans involve helping out the SMEs with the transition to the new era in trading from the UK.

As long as we have spending money, exporters will want a piece (but some may choose not to bother until later down the line, if at all) of it and they are welcome to trade with us.

[WTFH]

It is the majority of cases. Most of the standards used in the UK are CE standards, hence why, many posts ago, I asked you to look at your laptop power supply, or your phone power supply.
They are CE marked, because the CEN standard has been agreed and accepted in the UK.

If you look at any legal power supply in the UK manufactured in the last 10 years, it will have a CE mark on it.
The CE mark is not directly tied to particular EN standards, but is based on European Commission directives that relate to standards.
And if we have the promised hard Brexit, then anything relating to the EC is being dropped, whether it is sensible, good for business, or not.

That’s just one example of a negative impact Brexit will have on the cost/price/quality of products in the UK. But hey, we’ve got an extra £350million a week in the NHS, so who cares if power supplies don’t need to be safe any more, the injured will be treated brilliantly in our hospitals by UK doctors and nurses.

[Bee]

Most of the Brexit discussions end up like: Stay with the bike and I get the wheels.

[Bean]

It is the majority of cases. Most of the standards used in the UK are CE standards, hence why, many posts ago, I asked you to look at your laptop power supply, or your phone power supply.
They are CE marked, because the CEN standard has been agreed and accepted in the UK.

If you look at any legal power supply in the UK manufactured in the last 10 years, it will have a CE mark on it.
The CE mark is not directly tied to particular EN standards, but is based on European Commission directives that relate to standards.

and UK exporters will continue to stamp it as such and abide by the directives, where required. One part of your prior argument was about costs incurred by businesses having to double stamp though was it not?

And if we have the promised hard Brexit, then anything relating to the EC is being dropped, whether it is sensible, good for business, or not.

If now appropriately sized, but nothing agreed yet WTFH

That’s just one example of a *potential* negative impact Brexit will have on the cost/price/quality of products in the UK.

Added the appropriate qualifier.

But hey, we’ve got an extra £350million a week in the NHS,

Such sentiments aren't mutually exclusive, and the £350m/wk was a headline figure and an option to anyone standing in a GE to include in their manifesto - when are vote leave running for parliament?

so who cares if power supplies don’t need to be safe any more, the injured will be treated brilliantly in our hospitals by UK doctors and nurses.

Witty but unrealistic

[motoukenin]

So are you asserting that food bank use has only started since the slump in the pound?,
or are you just asserting there's been an increase due to the slump in the pound?
or neither?


The reason I ask, is that there have been some recent changes to benefits and the taxation system, which most people would expect to have some affect and yet are nothing to do with brexit...


They are welcome to set their prices accordingly and people will buy accordingly to their means, and other providers will be available and competing for business.

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Let me spell it out simpler for you so you understand.

We import 50% of our food , nearly all of our oil and about 65 % of our clothes , when our pound slumps like it has when we voted to leave the EU then imports cost more, its a fact as no company is going to subsidise this for 63 million people.

These are items that everyone buys , regardless of class or status , therefore the people who are just about managing will have to pay more for these items.

60 quid may not seem much to a contractor but 60 quid to millions of people is the difference between paying for food with money you have and slapping it on a credit card which is what people do and hence the massive increase in debt the UK has over any other EU country in the last year.

If this is a long term problem it was not in 2013 but is now , and about to get worse when we leave the EU then the credit card is maxed out and you have nowhere to go, except buy less food or clothes or fuel or starve or not get to work or go to a food bank or do some sort of car sharing or some combination of these , none of which is a solution to the problem and generally leads to more debt and higher costs which most can't pay, result in more divorce , house selling, job moves and redundancy.

In short people don't care a sh!t about an EU army , EU banks being proped up , EU laws or any of your other trivial ,irrelevant and sometimes completly inaccurate rantings , what they care about is getting by day to day, and clearly since Brexit which has pushed up the cost of these items as they are largely imported then they are going to see this more and more.

That is what the original poster is telling you but maybe you just want to ignore this as although this is happening here and now , it does not seem to fit with the idealogical view of Brexit which is on the whole a theory that up to now is going badly wrong because the EU are not doing what you want them to.

[sasguru]

Mr. Bean seems to be unemployed and inexperienced to me judging by his juvenile ranting. Probably a student, probably living with him mum. Head firmly stuck up arse, probably a virgin.

[WTFH]

and UK exporters will continue to stamp it as such and abide by the directives, where required. One part of your prior argument was about costs incurred by businesses having to double stamp though was it not?

And you are pointing the wrong way, as ever you’re ignoring what I’ve been saying, convinced that it’s the opposite. It’s not about selling outside the UK, it is about selling in the UK, whether by UK manufacturers or foreign suppliers.

Since you’re not interested in reading what is being written, there’s no point in trying to explain any further to you, you’re not interested in the truth, only in trying to spin it to mean the opposite.

[bobspud]

I seem to recall the value of the pound being one of many nails in its coffin.

Please do correct me if I am wrong but the following factors that impacted their bottom line are not Brexit related:
Reduction in tourism following terror attacks in Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey
Increase in cheaper airfares to Spain and Portugal by other low cost operators that they were unable to compete with
Enforced cost cutting from 2014 when they were taken over by private equity firm that probably left them in a position to be less reactive to external pressures

They also failed to get into the low cost long haul market, like Norwegian has, where they possibly could have earned more revenue.

Good to see you didn't vote in the referendum but still think you deserve to have a say in what happens. If you cared so much, you should have put an X in a box.

Monarch was dead and buried by their choice of destinations and the trouble that had occurred there.

The pound dollar rate should have been inconsequential as airlines hedge their fuel purchases to ensure fluctuations do not **** them up...

As for boo hoo I didn’t get a fair go, I want another try.