Brexit talks cannot succeed

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Which legally binding EU debt obligations are those?

We're not talking here about our EU 'fees' which of course we pay as a member, but we're talking about demands for the EU for money from us to keep their institutions afloat in the period once the UK has left the EU, of which their is no binding obligation.

Unable to read the remaining sentences when you fall false on your first.

We're been asked to pay for projects (not institutions) which began years ago. You can't just stop the progress of 27 nations because one throws its toys our the pram.

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The difference is that the Eastern Europeans I meet in Austria / Germany are highly skilled, well paid workers. Those in the UK are cheap labour replacing cheap english labour..

There's no such thing as cheap English labour.

Can't arsed benefit scroungers, well yes, tons of them. Leaving the EU will teach them. Er I don't think so.

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Unable to read the remaining sentences when you fall false on your first.

We're been asked to pay for projects (not institutions) which began years ago. You can't just stop the progress of 27 nations because one throws its toys our the pram.

I agree with you, actually.

It is somewhat astonishing that the EU is unable to account for the value of these projects. Surely these projects are all knowns, and the budgets agreed at the beginning are all known, and the portion of the UK's contribution to these should all be known. Right? (Of course not, this is the EU, using the credit card the UK left behind the bar).

The vacuum left by the EU being unable to name its price opened the door to rediculous estimates, such as £100bn, which gave the ultra-brexiters an even bigger voice.

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I agree with you, actually.

It is somewhat astonishing that the EU is unable to account for the value of these projects. Surely these projects are all knowns, and the budgets agreed at the beginning are all known, and the portion of the UK's contribution to these should all be known. Right? (Of course not, this is the EU, using the credit card the UK left behind the bar).

The vacuum left by the EU being unable to name its price opened the door to rediculous estimates, such as £100bn, which gave the ultra-brexiters an even bigger voice.

Don't disagree but I'm sure that's not the reason why people voted to leave. In fact more people don't actually know why the voted to leave. Well it's the Germans isn't it? Every since the war, they'll say blah blah

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Don't disagree but I'm sure that's not the reason why people voted to leave. In fact more people don't actually know why the voted to leave. Well it's the Germans isn't it? Every since the war, they'll say blah blah

Turks, the mess Germany made of allowing 1.5m immigrants in within weeks (find an Austrian and ask them) and Immigrants stealing low paying jobs would be a lot of the reasons, more money to the NHS is probably another..

Watching the council estate in Leyland vote for the first time ever (by 9:30am more people had voted than in the last general election) due to all 37 jobs at the nearly opened Aldi next door going to Eastern Europeans told me which way to bet that evening.

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Turks, the mess Germany made of allowing 1.5m immigrants in within weeks

The did not allow them in. They opened their arms to other humans fleeing hell. A hell that we had a hand in starting.

Becoming a little offended by the lack of humanity these days. Especially so when the banks screwed up in 2008, peoples hatred towards the establishment grew, along came the referendum, people voted against the establishment. They certainly did not vote for Brexit even if that was the result, which many were surprised. We all full well know, it was a vote against the establishment. And who gets the blame? The poor the helpless. Fecken sickening.

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hah, that's true. But then there is an argument from some that it's impossible to have a private competitive rail network and for it to work well. It needs to be state funded (as an investment) to enable other business to thrive. I think there is some truth in this but my knowledge of railway is limited to a few articles and tv progs.

UK railway companies receive more state funding than when the railways were state run. True.

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The did not allow them in. They opened their arms to other humans fleeing hell. A hell that we had a hand in starting.

Becoming a little offended by the lack of humanity these days. Especially so when the banks screwed up in 2008, peoples hatred towards the establishment grew, along came the referendum, people voted against the establishment. They certainly did not vote for Brexit even if that was the result, which many were surprised. We all full well know, it was a vote against the establishment. And who gets the blame? The poor the helpless. Fecken sickening.

No you asked why people voted the way they did - I just gave you the answer - then you attack me on the basis of how I told you others voted.

Also you may want to go out and about more - granted all I've mainly heard when hearing about it is the biased responses from people on the route many "refugees" took but given they walked through multiple safe countries to get to Germany they really don't meet the UN's definition of refugees...

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UK railway companies receive more state funding than when the railways were state run. True.

subsidies per journey are down from £3.26 per journey to £1.86 per journey. And our level of subsidies is lower than any other country in europe €2 instead of the €9 or so per journey in Germany, France, Italy and Spain..

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Also you may want to go out and about more - granted all I've mainly heard when hearing about it is the biased responses from people on the route many "refugees" took but given they walked through multiple safe countries to get to Germany they really don't meet the UN's definition of refugees...

But one day, the countries of the EU will merge into a single country, thus meaning refugees wouldn't be walking through multiple safe countries.