Brexit talks cannot succeed

[original PM]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...t-bill-unless/

[scooterscot]

Productivity has everything to do with worker volume, to compete you can use cheap labour and keep your existing systems going or invest so productivity increases allowing staff numbers to be reduced with the remaining staff paid more..

I can't argue with this level of stupid.

[scooterscot]

in a nut shell

[eek]

I can't argue with this level of stupid.

What part of the UK used cheap labour from Eastern Europe to keep the existing factory going while Germany invested in productivity can you not quite grasp...

Britain is full of zombie companies who should have been destroyed in the last recession but zero rate interest rates have kept them going...

[shaunbhoy]

What part of the UK used cheap labour from Eastern Europe to keep the existing factory going while Germany invested in productivity can you not quite grasp...

Pretty much all of it. But that is because he is blessed with a head that is emptier than a Hermit's Address Book.

[scooterscot]

What part of the UK used cheap labour from Eastern Europe to keep the existing factory going while Germany invested in productivity can you not quite grasp...

Yes yes - it's the fault of immigrants and refugees - we're not in the slightest bit responsible. Bugger me sideways.


Just to entertain your point for a nano second. Ouch ouch my brain... assuming all that *cheap* EU labour then why do so many UK PLc's export their jobs to non-EU India call centres and Chinese manufacturers? Are we to have a Worldexit to solve this problem?

It has nothing to do with the EU.

[eek]

Yes yes - it's the fault of immigrants and refugees - we're not in the slightest bit responsible. Bugger me sideways.


Just to entertain your point for a nano second. Ouch ouch my brain... assuming all that *cheap* EU labour then why do so many UK PLc's export their jobs to non-EU India call centres and Chinese manufacturers? Are we to have a Worldexit to solve this problem?

It has nothing to do with the EU.

- you really need to re-read what you've just written. Do you really not understand the different ways in how UK (anything for a short term profit) and German (look to the longer term) companies work...

[scooterscot]

- you really need to re-read what you've just written. Do you really not understand the different ways in how UK (anything for a short term profit) and German (look to the longer term) companies work...

And to debunk your point, so easily might I add, those German forward looking companies employ many EU Eastern European workers - in fact I know they do, I work with them.

The difference being those companies are owned be people who living in the country.

[chopper]

Imagine what the credit referring agencies will do when the UK defaults on it's EU debt obligations?

Which legally binding EU debt obligations are those?

We're not talking here about our EU 'fees' which of course we pay as a member, but we're talking about demands for the EU for money from us to keep their institutions afloat in the period once the UK has left the EU, of which their is no binding obligation. If we went hard brexit without any deal, then that would also mean there would be no agreement on a 'divorce bill' and therefore nothing to default on. And this would be full-fat WTO rules for all trade between the UK and the EU.

If, as part of an exit deal, the UK and the EU agree on the UK making a payment to the EU, then this is a different matter and of course the UK would not renege on this.

The stupid thing is that if the UK joined EFTA and then retained EEA membership, then the UK would have a strong hand. There could be no deal with the EU, but we'd still be in the EEA. Happy days. That the government isn't (publicly, at least) actively pursuing this option is what is giving the EU the strong hand.

[eek]

And to debunk your point, so easily might I add, those German forward looking companies employ many EU Eastern European workers - in fact I know they do, I work with them.

The difference being those companies are owned be people who living in the country.

The difference is that the Eastern Europeans I meet in Austria / Germany are highly skilled, well paid workers. Those in the UK are cheap labour replacing cheap english labour..