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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostBritish nurses for British patients.Comment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostBritish nurses for British patients.
Back 20+ years ago a nursing course was split 50/50 between the classroom and the ward.
You didn't need 4 A levels to be a nurse, you didn't need to be massively gifted academically, it was almost a vocational type course.
When a nurse would make a patient's bed, they would have to get the patient out of bed and onto a seat, they could see the patient's mobility, they could see how much pain the patient was in. They would have a couple minutes while making the bed to chat to the patient. A good nurse would be able to learn a lot about the patient in that time. They would also change bedpans, change catheter bags, etc, where they could observe the colour/consistency, etc.
Now nurses are coming out of university with little practical experience, and then nursing auxiliaries are brought in to do the "menial" tasks that are actually a big part of the caring process.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostIf net-immigration wasn't running in the 100Ks we probably wouldn't require so many people.
Last time I was in the outpatients of Chelsea & Westminster Hospital about three years ago, practically everyone waiting and milling around there seemed to be from overseas (based on skin colour and speech).Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostI'm with you on that, unfortunately there are not that many British nurses around, particularly due to the training over recent years being more academic and less practical, which has led to nurses who can calculate doses of drugs very quickly, but can't catheterise a patient and don't spend time doing things like making the beds.
Back 20+ years ago a nursing course was split 50/50 between the classroom and the ward.
You didn't need 4 A levels to be a nurse, you didn't need to be massively gifted academically, it was almost a vocational type course.
When a nurse would make a patient's bed, they would have to get the patient out of bed and onto a seat, they could see the patient's mobility, they could see how much pain the patient was in. They would have a couple minutes while making the bed to chat to the patient. A good nurse would be able to learn a lot about the patient in that time. They would also change bedpans, change catheter bags, etc, where they could observe the colour/consistency, etc.
Now nurses are coming out of university with little practical experience, and then nursing auxiliaries are brought in to do the "menial" tasks that are actually a big part of the caring process.Comment
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostAlso, non-EU immigrants to the UK seem to need a disproportionate amount of medical care themselves, including midwife services for the many children they typically have.
Last time I was in the outpatients of Chelsea & Westminster Hospital about three years ago, practically everyone waiting and milling around there seemed to be from overseas (based on skin colour and speech).…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostI've just got the train in with my sister-in-law who is 20 and studying a branch of nursing. She's doing 9-5 placement all summer as her course requires this. They spend most of the time 'out in the field'.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostYes, it has started to change back in the last couple of years, thankfully.Comment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostIf only we could have done something to stop non-EU immigration, cause it's not the EU's fault, no matter how some have tried to twist it.
The fact is even after the UK leaves the EU, the population will continue to expand almost at the same rate, but the working population will shrink as they clamp down on EU immigration.I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostI've never met a Brexiter yet who has said that they don't want anyone coming to the UK. I'm more than happy for nurses - or anyone else the country needs - to come provided they are of good character. There are, however, plenty of perfectly capable young people here that could be trained. Where I am nursing is oversubscribed - why not add more places? If net-immigration wasn't running in the 100Ks we probably wouldn't require so many people.Comment
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