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[Merged]Brexit stuff (part 2)

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    And for the Christmas table

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...rexit-to-bowie

    Argument: “Donald Trump is really going to shake things up.”
    a) “Donald Trump has insulted women, Mexicans and the disabled, and all signs point to him being ruinous for western democracy.”
    b) “Don’t forget that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, so his mandate isn’t as great as you think.”
    c) “I’ll admit that his victory is in keeping with a growing mistrust of the political status quo; I was rooting for Bernie.”
    d) “Well, you would say that, you dimwitted oaf.”

    Argument: “I never really understood why David Bowie was so popular.”

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    a) “He won four Brit Awards, two Grammys, an Ivor Novello award, sold 140m records and is widely regarded as one of the most influential recording artists of all time.”
    b) “Oh, come on, I’ve been in the car with you while you were singing along to Jean Genie.”
    c) “You know who I miss most? Paul Daniels. Now there was an entertainer with mainstream appeal.”
    d) “Oh yeah? Well, I never really understood why Mum ever had sex with you.”

    Argument: “I’m glad we’ve snatched this country back from out-of-touch elitists.”
    a) “The leaders of the leave movement were a former Times columnist with strong links to Rupert Murdoch, a man who went to the same school as PG Wodehouse and someone called Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. You would be hard pushed to find a more elitist crowd.”
    b) “Please tell me one thing that’s genuinely changed for the better since the Brexit vote.”
    c) “I’m not happy about the referendum result, but I guess that’s democracy for you.”
    d) “You’re just upset because you think quinoa is a type of Nissan.”

    Argument: “Nigel Farage seems like a decent bloke.”
    a) “Does he? He has stood for election as an MP seven times, and lost seven times. He hijacked the leave campaign despite being officially sidelined, and all but ambushed Donald Trump to further his own grimy career. The man is a rat.”
    b) “Really? Remember that anti-migrant poster he unveiled during the referendum? That seemed especially unpleasant.”
    c) “I’ll agree that the moustache he grew was quite funny.”
    d) “I can’t wait for you to die.”

    Argument: “We’ve seen a lot of immigrants around here lately.”
    a) “The latest migration report from the Office for National Statistics shows that applications for asylum in the UK are almost half of what they were 14 years ago. Your paranoia is the result of a decades-long fearmongering campaign by the rightwing press.”
    b) “With the greatest respect, one Nepalese family moving into a house three streets down doesn’t constitute a lot of immigration.”
    c) “Yes, but look at how much better the restaurants have got.”
    d) “Pipe down, you racist tit.”

    Argument: “Yes, but white lives matter, too.”
    a) “Clearly, that isn’t the argument. This is a movement aimed singularly at a judicial system that’s statistically weighted against black people. What you’re doing is the equivalent of pulling up outside a food bank in a Lexus and whining because nobody is giving you any free baked beans.”
    b) “Surely, you can understand the outrage that many felt after George Zimmerman’s acquittal?”
    c) “You know what else matters? Stuffing. What a delicious meal this is.”
    d) “Yours doesn’t, you absolute spanner.”

    Argument: “All this fuss about a dead monkey. It doesn’t make any sense.”
    a) “One, Harambe was an ape and not a monkey. Two, his shooting raises a number of important questions about the nature of keeping animals in captivity that we would be stupid to ignore at this juncture.”
    b) “Of course it makes sense. Zookeepers had to decide between killing a gorilla or potentially allowing it to harm a child. That’s a huge choice.”
    c) “People should concentrate on the bigger issues, such as Trump and Farage and ... actually, never mind.”
    d) “I wish you would go to Cincinnati so someone could shoot you, you obnoxious tool.”

    Argument: “Of course there’s no such thing as climate change.”
    a) “Really? According to Nasa, the six-month period from January to June 2016 was the warmest half-year on record. Plus, the Arctic sea-ice extent is now 40% smaller than it was 40 years ago. The Earth is undeniably getting warmer.”
    b) “That simply isn’t true. You know that outbreak of fungus on your pear tree? The Royal Horticultural Society believes the upsurge of the disease could be linked to climate change.”
    c) “Hey, I’m all for anything that lets me wear shorts more often.”
    d) “Then this must all be down to the hot air you spout, you flatulent gasbag.”

    Argument: “You lost. Deal with it.”
    a) “Did we lose? As well as Hillary Clinton gaining more than 2m more votes than Donald Trump, 62.5% of the British electorate did not vote to leave the EU. Your victories are products of imperfect systems and nothing more.”
    b) “The right to freedom of expression is a core foundation of every democratic society. If the results had been reversed, you would want to complain about it, too.”
    c) “Win or lose, aren’t we all just people? Aren’t the relationships we have with one another more important than the broad and temporary sweep of international politics? Surely what matters more than anything is our ability to accept each other’s superficial differences.”
    d) “I hate you, I hate Christmas and I’m pleased that Auntie June left you for her watercolour tutor.”
    "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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      As a fervent remainer I believe that this argument should be about practicalities not about emotional willie wagging so this post might not be appropriate. I believe that the EU should work efficiently and effectively. However like the NHS it is so politicised that effeciency and effectiveness have given way to self interest, prejudice and sheer emotion. A strong organisation would see a major customer leave them and would have reacted quite differently to the way the EU has acted. Investigations would be under way, risks would have been assessed years ago, contingency plans would have been put into place and changes would now be made to encourage other states to remain and more importantly to encourage the UK either to re join or remain within the EU.

      Not a bit of it has happened. No review is under way as to the accountability/democratic make up of the EU, Juncker is still leading the EU and the commissioners are all in place. All that is happening is that Teresa may has been put into coventry and UKIP are being pursued for misspending.

      Elections in Germany and France are going to be hell for the EU.

      We need a strong and accountable EU not a weak and self preserving one. We need every country to adopt the EURO and we need full freedom of movement but all of these have to work in favour of each and every country.

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        Originally posted by Mainframe gent View Post
        As a fervent remainer I believe that this argument should be about practicalities not about emotional willie wagging so this post might not be appropriate. I believe that the EU should work efficiently and effectively. However like the NHS it is so politicised that effeciency and effectiveness have given way to self interest, prejudice and sheer emotion. A strong organisation would see a major customer leave them and would have reacted quite differently to the way the EU has acted. Investigations would be under way, risks would have been assessed years ago, contingency plans would have been put into place and changes would now be made to encourage other states to remain and more importantly to encourage the UK either to re join or remain within the EU.

        Not a bit of it has happened. No review is under way as to the accountability/democratic make up of the EU, Juncker is still leading the EU and the commissioners are all in place. All that is happening is that Teresa may has been put into coventry and UKIP are being pursued for misspending.

        Elections in Germany and France are going to be hell for the EU.

        We need a strong and accountable EU not a weak and self preserving one. We need every country to adopt the EURO and we need full freedom of movement but all of these have to work in favour of each and every country.
        I think you will find most leave voters felt the same way. We wanted to leave as we saw no chance of change.

        The EU is now proving how right we were to escape. While all some remainers keep telling us how we will go bust soon.
        Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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          Originally posted by vetran View Post
          I think you will find most leave voters felt the same way. We wanted to leave as we saw no chance of change.

          The EU is now proving how right we were to escape. While all some remainers keep telling us how we will go bust soon.
          The UK has always be half in the EU. Rather than pushing for change, the UK has used the EU as an excuse to gold plate regulations whereas other countries pick and choose unless they are of the poorer countries that are obliged to follow every regulation in order to receive funding.

          Better in EU and get it sorted. Hampshire County Counsel has more bureaucrats than the EU. There are more cockups and waste in the private sector than public sector. Yes the EU has problems, but the UK has its own, and worse.
          "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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            Originally posted by Paddy View Post
            The UK has always be half in the EU. Rather than pushing for change, the UK has used the EU as an excuse to gold plate regulations whereas other countries pick and choose unless they are of the poorer countries that are obliged to follow every regulation in order to receive funding.

            Better in EU and get it sorted. Hampshire County Counsel has more bureaucrats than the EU. There are more cockups and waste in the private sector than public sector. Yes the EU has problems, but the UK has its own, and worse.
            Does that mean we should sort out Hampshire county council out first before we deal with our relationship with the EU?

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              Originally posted by Paddy View Post
              The UK has always be half in the EU. Rather than pushing for change, the UK has used the EU as an excuse to gold plate regulations whereas other countries pick and choose unless they are of the poorer countries that are obliged to follow every regulation in order to receive funding.

              Better in EU and get it sorted. Hampshire County Counsel has more bureaucrats than the EU. There are more cockups and waste in the private sector than public sector. Yes the EU has problems, but the UK has its own, and worse.
              yes so sad we are leaving

              Corrupt European countries costing EU nearly £800bn a year, says study | The Independent


              Britain is the sixth least corrupt country in Europe, behind Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland and Denmark, it says. Eastern European countries are all above the EU average when it comes to levels of corruption and are ranked in the bottom half of a table of 28 member states.

              Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia are the most corrupt countries in the EU, according to a new European Parliament study which reveals that corruption throughout Europe is costing almost £800 billion a year. The staggering sum, which equates to 6.3 per cent of overall EU-28 GDP, has prompted calls for the creation of a European Public Prosecutors’ Office as part of a crackdown on corrupt practises.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                Uk q3 gdp revised up to 0.6%

                German q3 gdp 0.2%.

                As we were already starting from a higher base it says it all.

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                  Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia are the most corrupt countries in the EU, according to a new European Parliament study which reveals that corruption throughout Europe is costing almost £800 billion a year. The staggering sum, which equates to 6.3 per cent of overall EU-28 GDP, has prompted calls for the creation of a European Public Prosecutors’ Office as part of a crackdown on corrupt practises.
                  I have personal experience with all three of those countries and I would strongly disagree. In fact every public office has hotlines and email address to report corruption, any suspect is relived from duty and is prosecuted even on verbal evidence. I find corruption in the UK the worst because they don’t call it corruption, they call it the revolving door, or cover it up pay paying for speeches etc.
                  "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                    Originally posted by GB9 View Post

                    As we were already starting from a higher base it says it all.
                    Higher base? Look up the figures for value of German exports, current account surplus, trade surplus and various other economic indicators and compare them with the UK's figures.
                    Quarterly figures that fluctuate mean nothing.
                    I have to conclude that you must be a masochist since you love to expose your complete imbecility to all and sundry.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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                      Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide

                      Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide


                      Donald Trump’s trade chief has urged Britain’s rivals to exploit the “God-given opportunity” of Brexit to steal business from the UK.




                      Use Brexit to steal UK trade, says Trump aide | News | The Times & The Sunday Times
                      "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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