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Free days as non-IR35 pointers

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    Free days as non-IR35 pointers

    What if, every couple of months, you work at a client site for free.
    That is, show on your invoice 5 days on-site, but only invoicing for 4 days, and claim the one day was to fix bugs/problems for free, ie no charge.

    By doing work for no payment, are you showing that you are taking a commercial risk, and therefore outside of IR-35?

    Just curious, and having a think as the weekend looms ever nearer.

    #2
    It is indeed a pointer outside IR35.
    I'm alright Jack

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      #3
      Sure, it would be a minor pointer if you're required to fix errors without charge. Not a major pointer.

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        #4
        You'd need to have some kind of evidence that you were actually taking a risk and doing bug-fixing etc. on those days, otherwise HMRC would argue that you weren't taking a risk, just trying to make it look like you did.

        For the loss of a day's income regularly vs the cost of insurance, I know which one I'll be taking.
        Originally posted by MaryPoppins
        I hadn't really understood this 'pwned' expression until I read DirtyDog's post.

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          #5
          Free days:
          Fix my own cock up
          May win a decent piece of work
          Doing something I really enjoy / have an interest in

          Non free days:
          Any day that permies are doing free so I should too

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            #6
            It would be a very big pointer.... pointer towards you being an idiot.
            'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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              #7
              [QUOTE=northernladuk;1898724]It would be a very big pointer.... pointer towards you being an idiot.[/

              My favourite post of the week. Made me spit coffee on the screen.

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                #8
                The work would have to have actually been done though. Adding a couple of non-billed days onto an invoice when there was no actual work done would be pretty risky. It might count as fraud but IANAL.

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                  #9
                  This isn't one of the three factors (Control, Personal Service & MOO) and so wouldn't instantly exempt you from IR35 - it would only support a conclusion already reached based on the above three factors.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                    It would be a very big pointer.... pointer towards you being an idiot.
                    steady on, old bean!

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