Self-employed? Surely we're employees of ltd company we happen to be directors of?

[psychocandy]

I'm someone who recently claimed and was paid JSA on the basis that my LTD had had no income for a longer than normal period of time and was no longer paying me. I was paid JSA on contribution based entitlement which is not means tested. All dividends and savings were declared and my company accounts were provided. I didn't leave employment of my limited and when I signed off JSA after getting a contract I received a P45 from to provide to my accountant.

It did cause some confusion with my tax code, where I was changed to BR for my limited on the basis that it was my second employer. That was sorted out with a call to HMRC.

On the plus side, I gained a contract within 3 weeks of claiming JSA so it was a short term thing. I won't apply again if I can help it, it was a lot of effort for very little return, and I felt just wrong turning up for a JSA interview with a laptop. It also depressed me that when I signed on the advisers were impressed that I had actually applied for some roles.

So you didnt get a P45 for yourself? My accountant told me I had to do a P45....

[malvolio]

So you didnt get a P45 for yourself? My accountant told me I had to do a P45....

You don't need one, as long you aren't working more than 16 hours a week for your "employer", i.e. YourCo

[psychocandy]

For JSA you just put where your last job was (client) and name the agency as employer - they treat it the same as if you were a temp - just put 'job via agency as contractor' as a note.

Their systems will explode with anything more complicated.

It will take them months to process the above - by the time you get a (incorrect) payment you'll either have a new contract or will be homeless or dead from starvation - so you wont even be entitled and will probably be investigated for fraud.

Hmmm. I agree that the system cant really cope but this sounds a bit dodgy to me.

[bluetoaster]

So you didnt get a P45 for yourself? My accountant told me I had to do a P45....

No, I didn't need one. I just had to show the company wasn't paying me and that I wasn't working. JSA knew the detail of my position.

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[psychocandy]

You don't need one, as long you aren't working more than 16 hours a week for your "employer", i.e. YourCo

Interesting. Not what my accountant tells me....

[northernladuk]

Interesting. Not what my accountant tells me....

You used to be able to just fill in a P46 but that isn't to be used after April 2013. Just get the P45, will probably be much easier knowing the god awful system that JSA is.

[Wanderer]

You don't need one, as long you aren't working more than 16 hours a week for your "employer", i.e. YourCo

Working a 2 day week? Kind of unlikely for most of us but we can dream.

[psychocandy]

Yep. Got P45 now. Got my date for initial meeting next week. Should be fun.

[VectraMan]

Yep. Got P45 now. Got my date for initial meeting next week. Should be fun.

Did mine yesterday. It was okay; the lady was quite friendly and helpful. She kept saying "they may ask you for more information", and "they will make a decision". Not quite sure who the mysterious "they" are; some shady people in some government back room presumably, but obviously it doesn't occur to anybody that the system could be a whole lot less inefficient if the person doing the interview could make a decision whilst you were there and could answer any questions.

She asked for a P45, and bank statements, which I hadn't been told in advance I was required to take.

[SueEllen]

Did mine yesterday. It was okay; the lady was quite friendly and helpful. She kept saying "they may ask you for more information", and "they will make a decision". Not quite sure who the mysterious "they" are; some shady people in some government back room presumably, but obviously it doesn't occur to anybody that the system could be a whole lot less inefficient if the person doing the interview could make a decision whilst you were there and could answer any questions.

She's not trained to do that.

She has to be sent on a special course to use a computer that does the decision making plus they may have just dragged her of the street . (The former border agency use to do that with some of their staff.)