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    #41
    This latter point is crucial in my view to the eventual outcome of how the government views businesses like PSC’s and the eventual resolution of IR35 issues. After all, one of the main aims of governments of whatever complexion is to provide a framework for businesses to be created and nurtured. The limited company is a marvellous force for achieving this aim but it has always involved risks and sacrifices for entrepreneurs willing to explore the extent of their drive, skill and instinct; that is reason enough for incentives like tax efficient dividend payments coupled with minimum salary arrangements and the opportunity to avoid employer NIC outgoings.

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      #42
      Too serious to be cynical

      Deadly serious, actually – I am nevertheless prepared to reconsider if you can turn up any post 1945 government policy statement that supports your alternative view that business creation is not considered to be one of the cornerstones of our economy and does not therefore warrant a politically supportive framework. I think also that it would be helpful to the prestige of this web site if you could get a political figure to provide an historic authentication of your viewpoint.

      What I believe you really mean is that despite all the rhetoric about business support, various governments of every flavour have failed to deliver the environment which business needs to thrive – in this view I would concur. Furthermore, it appears especially relevant nowadays in the PSC sector, where IR35 looms menacingly. This has grown despite increasing evidence that PSC’s are an emerging part of the economy and should therefore be encouraged (nurtured).

      You could get a current political heavyweight to go on the record about this issue but I suspect the controversy over disguised employment may inhibit his/her enthusiasm, with the prospect of media spotlight upon tax evasion threatening to extinguish any hopes of high office.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Precept View Post
        You could get a current political heavyweight to go on the record about this issue but I suspect the controversy over disguised employment may inhibit his/her enthusiasm, with the prospect of media spotlight upon tax evasion threatening to extinguish any hopes of high office.
        I think this is the perfect time to be cynical.

        Of course there is no "post 1945 government policy statement that supports your alternative view that business creation is not considered to be one of the cornerstones", but with your last sentence (and another comment re: PSCs are growing and should be nurtured) you hit the nail on the head about why such a non-existent policy is irrelevant.


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          #44
          Originally posted by Precept View Post
          Deadly serious, actually – I am nevertheless prepared to reconsider if you can turn up any post 1945 government policy statement that supports your alternative view that business creation is not considered to be one of the cornerstones of our economy and does not therefore warrant a politically supportive framework. I think also that it would be helpful to the prestige of this web site if you could get a political figure to provide an historic authentication of your viewpoint.

          What I believe you really mean is that despite all the rhetoric about business support, various governments of every flavour have failed to deliver the environment which business needs to thrive – in this view I would concur. Furthermore, it appears especially relevant nowadays in the PSC sector, where IR35 looms menacingly. This has grown despite increasing evidence that PSC’s are an emerging part of the economy and should therefore be encouraged (nurtured).

          You could get a current political heavyweight to go on the record about this issue but I suspect the controversy over disguised employment may inhibit his/her enthusiasm, with the prospect of media spotlight upon tax evasion threatening to extinguish any hopes of high office.
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            #45
            Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
            Dont even get me started on having God Save the Queen as the national anthem. Its the English one.

            We need a separate one to represent the UK.
            Bzzzt. Wrong. God save the Queen is an anthem for the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth realms. If anything England is the one that's missing an anthem....
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              #46
              Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
              Bzzzt. Wrong. God save the Queen is an anthem for the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth realms. If anything England is the one that's missing an anthem....
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                #47
                Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                Beer and Sex and Chips n Gravy - Macc Lads. Sorted.
                Bzzzzt - wrong. That is the national anthem of Cornwall. England still needs an anthem of its own.

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                  #48
                  You guys are hillarious

                  Seriously. You made my morning I've been laughing so hard.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Higgs Boson View Post
                    Bzzzzt - wrong. That is the national anthem of Cornwall. England still needs an anthem of its own.
                    Dont mean to be picky but it's Beer and Sex and Pasties and Gravy.







                    Actually it's Trelawny, also known as The Song of the Western Men.



                    On a good sword and a trusty shield
                    A faithful heart and true
                    King James's men shall understand
                    What Cornish men can do
                    And have they fixed the where and when?
                    And shall Trelawny die?
                    Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
                    Will know the reason why.

                    CHORUS:
                    And shall Trelawny live?
                    And shall Trelawny die?
                    Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
                    Will know the reason why.

                    2. Out spake the captain brave and bold
                    A merry wight was he
                    Though London Tower were Michael's hold
                    We'll set Trelawny free
                    We'll cross the Tamar, land to land
                    The Severn is no stay
                    Then one and all and hand in hand
                    And who shall bid us nay.

                    Chorus

                    3. And when we came to London wall
                    A pleasant sight to view
                    Come forth, come forth, ye cowards all
                    Here are better men than you
                    Trelawny, he's in keep in hold
                    Trelawny he may die
                    But twenty thousand Cornish men
                    Will know the reason why.

                    Chorus
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                      #50
                      I read this thread when it was a bog-standard accountant recommendation but it's now wasted here.

                      Precept is a gem!
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