No To Retro Tax – Campaign Against Section 58 Finance Act 2008

[TalkingCheese]

I would guess we went into the queue when supreme court refused appeal.

Thing is, since the appeal was refused, shouldnt they at least send us a demand, and then we appeal and go to FTTT (or pay up) ? We havent heard anything. I dont even know how much they think I owe... just a guess cobbling together a couple of CNs and adding a bit of interest. I at least expected some sort of demand.

[smalldog]

Any idea who decides on the lumping? HMRC or us? Personally I want my own case - and I am calling Brannigan as my first witness.

Can I do the predictable "we are all individuals" joke please?

Brannigan, F that Im going for Hartnett! He'd better turn up or I will set the dog on him, what what!

[DonkeyRhubarb]

I would guess we went into the queue when supreme court refused appeal.

Not true. HMRC haven't even applied to the FTTT yet.

They are not going to take 2000 cases to court, so they will have to use test cases.

However, Montpelier and the other promoters are likely to advise us NOT to agree to be bound by test cases and for us all to demand our own day in court.

I understand HMRC will have to apply for a ruling from the courts for all our appeals to be lumped together under test cases. Montpelier will obviously resist this but in any event it will further delay matters.

[smalldog]

Not true. HMRC haven't even applied to the FTTT yet.

They are not going to take 2000 cases to court, so they will have to use test cases.

However, Montpelier and the other promoters are likely to advise us NOT to agree to be bound by test cases and for us all to demand our own day in court.

I understand HMRC will have to apply for a ruling from the courts for all our appeals to be lumped together under test cases. Montpelier will obviously resist this but in any event it will further delay matters.

Hi DR, do you know if there is any kind of time limit for all this to conclude before its struck off as time expired?

[GBHuhd]

Thing is, since the appeal was refused, shouldnt they at least send us a demand, and then we appeal and go to FTTT (or pay up) ? We havent heard anything. I dont even know how much they think I owe... just a guess cobbling together a couple of CNs and adding a bit of interest. I at least expected some sort of demand.

Think this must depend on how (in)efficient your tax office is, i personally have had all my CN's issued since the appeal failed. They in turn have been suspended pending tribunal, but obviously no date - just the usual warning about interest accruing etc etc.

[SantaClaus]

But as there are more of us involved will it take longer?

When would the equivalent 9 year period start from for us? 2012?

I might be dead by the time we get to the Upper Tax Tribunal, so I'm briefing my 3 year old daughter on how to deal with them.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Hi DR, do you know if there is any kind of time limit for all this to conclude before its struck off as time expired?

Time limit? HMRC?

As the song by Louis Armstrong goes

HMRC have all the time in the world...

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Rule 18

This is the rule which allows the tribunal to lump cases together.

http://www.taxjournal.com/tj/article...tive-law-37591

I'm sure Montpelier's lawyers will have fun with this.

See the section "Some problems with the Rule".

[SantaClaus]

I guess it's just as well that none of us agreed to be bound by the outcome of a few selected hearings at the FTT when HMRC originally sent that "newsletter" many moons ago.

Bet they are wishing they had gone that route, rather than the JR now.

[Retro]

Time limit? HMRC?

As the song by Louis Armstrong goes

HMRC have all the time in the world...

I recently had a stroke. I suppose that I should let my potential beneficiaries know about this HMRC hounding, in case they end up dealing with it? I assume HMRC will try to take it out of my estate if the worst happens?