• Visitors can check out the Forum FAQ by clicking this link. You have to register before you can post: click the REGISTER link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. View our Forum Privacy Policy.
  • Want to receive the latest contracting news and advice straight to your inbox? Sign up to the ContractorUK newsletter here. Every sign up will also be entered into a draw to WIN £100 Amazon vouchers!

BN66 - Court of Appeal and beyond

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
Collapse
  •  
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Originally posted by Ninja View Post
    Done

    "I am writing to you on the eve of your Treasury Select Committee meeting to discuss whether it is ‘fair’ to tax Barclays Capital retrospectively on their recent tax avoidance scheme. I understand that the time period in question would back date the tax to having been effective from December 2011; some 3 months or so.

    I agree that the passing of retrospective laws (ex post facto) does have its place, provided that legislators use extreme caution and due diligence. In many countries (many of which are in the EU), ex post facto law is unconstitutional, and its use elsewhere is very rare.

    However may I draw your attention to the case of Budget Note 66, Clause 55 which was enacted as part of the Finance Act (2008) where a DTA tax avoidance scheme was closed with retrospective effect dating back several years. This legislation is both extreme and severe; it being described by Chartered Institute of Taxation as ‘‘extreme and unjustified’’; the Law Society believed it was ‘‘wrong in principle’’; and the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales warned, ‘‘it sends out a very damaging signal about the stability of the UK tax system’’. In addition no prior impact assessment was conducted by JCHR as to its affect upon taxpayers. It is interesting to note that in Finance Act 2009 a similar tax avoidance scheme - used by bankers - was closed; and it took effect prospectively not retrospectively.

    Up to 3,000 independent contractors, mainly in IT, are affected by this change of law, and the majority face bankruptcy because of it. Some of those affected have specialised in financial services, and hence risk being denied access to future employment. I am a family man in my early nn’s, having worked continuously since leaving school at the age of 16. HMRC are demanding £x+, and to add insult to injury there is interest to pay! This is interest on outstanding tax which only became taxable because of retrospective legislation. It is outrageous! My finances will never recover from this.

    If you are still of the opinion that retrospective legislation is appropriate and fair for those whom you believe have abused the system, then what were your thoughts when Sir Thomas Legg recommended retrospectively changing the rules governing MP’s expenses. Many of your colleagues thought retrospective changes would be unfair, even though acknowledged widespread abuse had taken place.

    I know that the terms of reference for this particular select committee inhibit debating BN66 specifically; however I urge you and your colleagues to consider our plight, and remove the threat of financial ruin from our families. As a group we strongly believe that we have been extremely harshly and disproportionately dealt with, and our resolve to right this gross injustice is hardening. For all of this time we have waited patiently and quietly, putting our faith in British justice only for our hopes to be dashed. If parliamentarians continue to ignore our plight then our campaign will have to become more vocal and more public. After all, if we are ruined then we will have nothing more to lose and be well-motivated to continue the fight."

    regards
    Ninja
    Ninja is a dish best served "hacked off"

    Comment


      Originally posted by freedomfighter View Post
      How about the Govt and HMRC on a balcony wining with their arms around Mr Goldmans, Mr Vodaphone, JPMorgan and Barclays, overlooking the "little people" below with Shackles/Balls and chains and throwing a large Rock with Retorspective Tax onto those below. i.e. we will always be enslaved to their whims.
      The Hector character is always a good one to poke the mickey at, like my avatar.

      How about a series of time traveller images with Gauke, Cameron, Osborne etc?
      'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
      Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

      Comment


        Salvo Fired

        Letters sent to my MP, Treasury Select Commitee, Gauke, Osborne, Cameron & Clegg. Asked the latter whatever became of my suggestion regarding the removal of BN66 Retrospective Measures posted on his 'Your Freedom' website, since I have never heard a dicky-bird.

        Have I missed any key players off the list?

        Comment


          Originally posted by ir35amnesia View Post
          1/ The government has a legitimate right to introduce retrospective tax law to prevent "abusive" etc etc tax schemes.
          2/ one of the the perceived abuses was using a Double Tax Treaty to avoid paying any tax WHEN the purpose of the treaty was to avoid the same income being taxed twice.

          When signing up to the scheme WAS this principle explained to you in sufficient detail so that you understood you may be "joining an abusive scheme".

          Plus even though Padmore "retro" did NOT actually collect/charge any retro tax it certainly sent out a message to the tax profession.
          No Alan, you didnt explain any of that to me

          Comment


            Plans

            I personally don't hold out any hope whatsoever that the treasury committee or chancellor will do anything to help. I curse myself for not doing this earlier (it always seemed to me that BN66 would surely never be allowed to stand) .. but I started aggressively saving a couple of months ago, thinking I had a year.. didn't anicipate the SC move. As my exposure is 50K ish I figured in a year I could save half of it, then borrow the rest. Not knowing what happens next due to MP's pathetic perfomance, I am assuming the bill will have to be paid within 3-4 months and have started process of remortgaging, (thank god I have some equity). What I'm saying is now is the time to plan for the worst.. Protect your family as best you can, downsize the house if you must, cash in investments, or accept bankruptcy and prepare for it.. and accept this country has changed for ever

            Comment


              Originally posted by p4nd4b34r View Post
              I personally don't hold out any hope whatsoever that the treasury committee or chancellor will do anything to help. I curse myself for not doing this earlier (it always seemed to me that BN66 would surely never be allowed to stand) .. but I started aggressively saving a couple of months ago, thinking I had a year.. didn't anicipate the SC move. As my exposure is 50K ish I figured in a year I could save half of it, then borrow the rest. Not knowing what happens next due to MP's pathetic perfomance, I am assuming the bill will have to be paid within 3-4 months and have started process of remortgaging, (thank god I have some equity). What I'm saying is now is the time to plan for the worst.. Protect your family as best you can, downsize the house if you must, cash in investments, or accept bankruptcy and prepare for it.. and accept this country has changed for ever
              I think you will have longer than 3-4 months : probably until the end of the year.

              What will be interesting is for those who have no assets but can afford a few hundred quid a month. Will HMRC negotiate or just go for the jugular?

              Comment


                Originally posted by p4nd4b34r View Post
                Can any one with contacts at MP advise me if they are appealing on different grounds for returns that were opened out of time on the basis of 'discovery'. I am wondering if now is the time to take the matter into my own hands, maybe using the guy mentioned earlier in the thread to handle my appeals. I'm not sure I want to be part of a group process any more.
                bump

                Comment


                  Originally posted by p4nd4b34r View Post
                  No Alan, you didnt explain any of that to me
                  Maybe you should make a complaint to your scheme provider.

                  Comment


                    Who are you

                    Originally posted by ir35amnesia View Post
                    Maybe you should make a complaint to your scheme provider.
                    Does anyone know who the author of the above is - if so, please PM me. It concerns me. And it will concern HMRC if indeed it emanates from HMRC. Big time.
                    Join the campaign at
                    http://notoretrotax.org.uk

                    Comment


                      Originally posted by p4nd4b34r View Post
                      bump
                      If you dig out the appeals of your Closure Notices, you should find that MP have cited different grounds of appeal where discovery was used.

                      Since there are quite a lot of people in this situation, there are likely to be specific test cases for this.

                      HMRC have had previous success in defending the use of discovery in court, so do not underestimate the difficulty in winning this argument.

                      Also, bear in mind what you would be up against. HMRC will almost certainly be represented by one or more leading Tax QC.

                      Can you afford to match their firepower?

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X