BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing]

Divorced from the UK

So what about someone who got divorced and his ex got the 2 kids, 5 & 7 years old. He's told to pay maintenance and provide a house for them as he's the one with all the lolly?

He then moves abroad and comes back every year to visit his kids but has otherwise set up a new life in Antigua with a "local lass".

I guess the same rules apply to him even though it was not his choice to keep some ties with the UK, but the courts. Or will he be exempt as his is a different interpretation of IR20?

Mad, all mad. The economy os going to hell in a handcart closely followed by the written law. I do hope there is someone in authority that sees the folly in all of this.

[BolshieBastard]

The law appears to becoming a poor cousin to what is seen as 'fair' and someone's interpretation.

What I can't understand is why more people are not speaking out against it. Surley someone in a position of power and influence should have the balls to stand up and say that this is not right.

There seems to have been a shift in the attitudes of the Judicary, it's almost as if they have been presured to start ingoring the law, and passing judgment based on who-knows-what.

Have you seen the latest legislation that HMRC are trying to push though? Banning people getting Tax Advice??

Its truely amazing isnt it? I had an 'exchange' with someone posting as AtW in the General forum.

Obviously a troll of sorts. His tax affairs are squeaky clean. If I read his diatribe correctly, he instructs his accountant not to tax up tax advantages as he doesnt want any hassle from HMRC.

It hasnt dawned on him yet that with retrospective changes etc, even his current legal within the law definition tax affairs may be changed retrospectively in the future.

Oh and he thinks we're a bunch of 'cheats' and 'pisstakers.'

Nice chap!

[Slobbo]

"The judge went on to say that Mr Gaines-Cooper faced the “insuperable difficulty” that he had never “left” England, and the fact that he had not been in the country for more than 91 days in any one year since 1976 made no difference to his status. "


For more than 34 years he does not spend more than 91 days in the country....and loses in the Court of Appeal, three judges. Again Letter of the Law vs interpretation, that does not bode well for our case.

Makes you wonder about the detail. The devil seems to be in the detail. I am Australian and left there in the 90's. When I left I had to write to the Australian Tax Office and tell them I was no longer resident and change my Australian bank account so that it gave me no interest. I thought that a little extreme but can understand it. This guy seems to have been living in both countries despite the 91 day rule. That said a rule is a rule and the revenue shouldn't punish him for following their guidance. It is retrospection again.

I am thinking that I should move back to Oz (and make sure I don't have any ties you know like shoot the dog and the mother in law just to be sure).

The tax advice consultation is just insane. Where oh where is this country heading to. Nu Labour are ruining what is left of this country.

[ASB]

So even when the Revenue officially publish their guidance on how the rules work, you still have no certainty?

Correct. It's just that - guidance. It does state quite clearly it does not have force of law. The same is strictly true if you ask them for an opinion tailored to your circumstances. The same is true of the VAT man and lots of other bodies.

Personally I wouldn't really want it any other way. If their guidance becomes binding then there is implicitly no right of appeal. In this case the administering departments would actually be making the law.

[PlaneSailing]

The law appears to becoming a poor cousin to what is seen as 'fair' and someone's interpretation.

What I can't understand is why more people are not speaking out against it. Surley someone in a position of power and influence should have the balls to stand up and say that this is not right.

There seems to have been a shift in the attitudes of the Judicary, it's almost as if they have been presured to start ingoring the law, and passing judgment based on who-knows-what.

Have you seen the latest legislation that HMRC are trying to push though? Banning people getting Tax Advice??

The site seems a little reactionary, but the facts remain. The tax manual
has grown out of all proportion under Gordon Brown's stewardship, probably
to the point where it requires specialist advice to deal with taxation matters.

Now, they don't like it when the swiss cheese is exposed.

[Doug1965]

The tax manual
has grown out of all proportion under Gordon Brown's stewardship, probably
to the point where it requires specialist advice to deal with taxation matters.

Remember the old joke about the tax forms -

How much do you earn ?
Send it all.

Maybe that will be the simplification they offer.

[loser]

more retrospective taxes

I don't know if this has been posted yet, apologies if so, but I think that an awful lot more people have suddenly got a lot more interested in retrospective taxation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8519803.stm

[OnYourBikeGB]

Remember the old joke about the tax forms -

How much do you earn ?
Send it all.

Maybe that will be the simplification they offer.

Easy now, we know that there are trolls about. Don't be giving them any ideas!

[OnYourBikeGB]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, apologies if so, but I think that an awful lot more people have suddenly got a lot more interested in retrospective taxation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8519803.stm

When I think about this, I've known a few people who have gone to work in the Middle East, with wife and kids back home, and stuck to the 91 days or less rule. These aren't rich people, by any stretch of the imagination, just engineers etc. They must be caught by this as well. There may be lot more than a few multi-millionaires hacked off with this.

[portseven]

I am too young to remember, but was it like this when the last Labour goverment was coming to an end? Were they this bad?

I remember a friend of the family who was staunch Conservative, and used to say Labour were the worst thing ever for the country, I could never understand why he was so against them. Now I understand.