BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[Cosmo]

I was at Court this morning and have sent a detailed update to DR to edit and put into the Opening Post on this thread. It will be with you shortly.

There are strong reasons for the decision or perhaps more resonably why the judge could not find in our favour. This was only ever going to be the start. It still is. There will be more hard work and more beliefe needed and that will go on for at least another 12 months.

Go take that cup of tea or something stronger, feed the cat, and get set for the long haul.

Emigre

[srhcompcon]

Hi All,

My first and possibly only ever post.
Always a lurker, I feel its time to speak.

For Christ sake give MTM a chance, we have only just seen the review and yes its a crap result and does not bode well for the future.

My view is MTM got us into this, lets see how they get us out of it.

Running to HMRC to agree deals at this stage will just create another mess.

MTM are our advisers please lets wait to be advised.

Hear Hear

[bananarepublic]

Hasn't the judge made a mistake in his judgement?

The judge stated that we could have brought proceedings to a close by requesting a Closure Notice at any point.

However, he is forgetting that 4 people did have closure notices and their cases were being brought forward to the special commissioners.

The retrospection then stepped in.

Surely there is a legitimate expectation that once CN's have been issued the cases will go forward to the commissioners and not be overriden by retrospective legislation. And further to this at any retrospection would not affect those lumped in with the 4 cases scheduled for the commissioners? Wasn't that the precedent set by Padmore?

There is also no mention of the Suo Motu settlement and how a select bunch of taxpayers got advantageous treatment. Presumably that isn't a breach of our rights - it is the fact we were never offered the same terms.

[smalldog]

yes please remember this was the FIRST challenge, not the LAST!!!! so dont panic yet...

[Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing]

Stop!

Folks,

This is not a crisis. Panicking and bouncing off walls for the next few hours will only take you back to where you started.

The JR was not the start nor the end of this. Yes, it may all sound doom and gloom but consider this:

There will be an appeal

There will be an appeal to hold off on collection

They cannot just turn up, take the lot and leave you on the street - that IS a breach of your Human Rights

Bankruptcy takes time. Application to a court, 12 months before the Order can be invoked.

The JR was about Human Rights. This is not the only point of contention and never was. There are other hearings related to BN66 going on (March??).

This is a time to re-group, focus and take a moment for the next steps to be architected. I suggest we take a moment to pause, stop turning inwards, having a go at MTM, claiming the Judge was got at and all the other negatives.

I know it's numbing and very scarey at the moment, but nobody ever survived a crisis by whipping it up further.

There are plans afoot. Remain focussed. Have faith.

For the sake of those who have put so much into this campaign, don't do them the injustice of running scared, finger pointing or otherwise pull this community apart at the seams.

[PurpleTurtle]

Hear hear. Cup of tea from my Keep Calm And Carry On mug and the world seems clearer than it did an hour ago.

Everyone on this forum knows that, had we won round 1 today, HMRC (Hello MrYouKNowWho) ) would have appealled it and we would have been no closer as individuals to a conclusion.

[Airtime]

On with the fight...

I'm very disappointed and shocked but have even more resolve now to see justice done against HMRC.

[nick4notax]

Folks,

This is not a crisis. Panicking and bouncing off walls for the next few hours will only take you back to where you started.

The JR was not the start nor the end of this. Yes, it may all sound doom and gloom but consider this:

There will be an appeal

There will be an appeal to hold off on collection

They cannot just turn up, take the lot and leave you on the street - that IS a breach of your Human Rights

Bankruptcy takes time. Application to a court, 12 months before the Order can be invoked.

The JR was about Human Rights. This is not the only point of contention and never was. There are other hearings related to BN66 going on (March??).

This is a time to re-group, focus and take a moment for the next steps to be architected. I suggest we take a moment to pause, stop turning inwards, having a go at MTM, claiming the Judge was got at and all the other negatives.

I know it's numbing and very scarey at the moment, but nobody ever survived a crisis by whipping it up further.

There are plans afoot. Remain focussed. Have faith.

For the sake of those who have put so much into this campaign, don't do them the injustice of running scared, finger pointing or otherwise pull this community apart at the seams.

I, for one, thank you for this. While I remain numbed and totally sh1t scared your practical take on today's events do remind me that we still have a long way to go and not to dispair. Let's keep fighting this! After all, what's the alternative...?...

[poppy01]

Folks,

This is not a crisis. Panicking and bouncing off walls for the next few hours will only take you back to where you started.

The JR was not the start nor the end of this. Yes, it may all sound doom and gloom but consider this:

There will be an appeal

There will be an appeal to hold off on collection

They cannot just turn up, take the lot and leave you on the street - that IS a breach of your Human Rights

Bankruptcy takes time. Application to a court, 12 months before the Order can be invoked.

The JR was about Human Rights. This is not the only point of contention and never was. There are other hearings related to BN66 going on (March??).

This is a time to re-group, focus and take a moment for the next steps to be architected. I suggest we take a moment to pause, stop turning inwards, having a go at MTM, claiming the Judge was got at and all the other negatives.

I know it's numbing and very scarey at the moment, but nobody ever survived a crisis by whipping it up further.

There are plans afoot. Remain focussed. Have faith.

For the sake of those who have put so much into this campaign, don't do them the injustice of running scared, finger pointing or otherwise pull this community apart at the seams.

Well said, my initial reaction I admit was to call hmrc and try to come to terms. But we should also remember, even if todays judgement had gone our way, we still wouldnt have had closure, HMRC always intended to appeal.

I for one will just keep saving and hoping for the best. Let MP do their job.

[TykeMerc]

[Tinfoil hat moment]
Please remember that there may well be HMRC staff posting on here trying to precipitate some of you into settling.
[/Tinfoil hat moment]

If you have access to money, but aren't totally convinced all is lost then you could put it in a CTD as a half way house measure.
Once you pay up to the likes of HMRC getting it back could easily take many more years.