BN66 - Time to fight back (Chapter 3)

[poppy01]

hehe one in the eye for our mates

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7870265.stm



A serious question, do HMRC actually ever win anything? Ive never seen a case where theyve won, they just seem to P*ss precious taxpayers money away constantly on failed litigation.

long may their losing streak continue - lets hope they dont start with us

[Toocan]

HI All,

Here is a quote from the debate on Section 58 of Finance Act 2008 – the act that closed down the Montpelier scheme retrospectively:

(Jane Kennedy)
“They ought to have been aware of the likely consequences of their wilful attempt to flout the law. The 1987 decision to tackle treaty abuse with retrospective effect was a clear signal.”

The “clear signal” from the 1987 legislation was that if one finds a loophole in a law and uses it, then one will get to keep that tax advantage. That was how the retrospective legislation was drafted in 1987 and how it was explained in 1987 by the then treasury minister (Norman Lamont).

That is the legitimate expectation. What happened in 2008 went 180 degrees against this expectation.

The 1987 debate can be found here
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...f-partnerships


The 2008 debate can be found here
http://www.publications.parliament.u...m/80522s03.htm
and here
http://www.publications.parliament.u...m/80522s01.htm


I hope you can see the deception that is being used against us. If you’re lurking, or if you have not yet written to you MP – be aware this is your chance to change this. Write to your MP NOW, while it can still make a difference.

[Toocan]

HI All,

Here is a quote from the debate on Section 58 of Finance Act 2008 – the act that closed down the Montpelier scheme retrospectively:

(Jane Kennedy)
“They ought to have been aware of the likely consequences of their wilful attempt to flout the law. The 1987 decision to tackle treaty abuse with retrospective effect was a clear signal.”

The “clear signal” from the 1987 legislation was that if one finds a loophole in a law and uses it, then one will get to keep that tax advantage. That was how the retrospective legislation was drafted in 1987 and how it was explained in 1987 by the then treasury minister (Norman Lamont).

That is the legitimate expectation. What happened in 2008 went 180 degrees against this expectation.

The 1987 debate can be found here
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...f-partnerships


The 2008 debate can be found here
http://www.publications.parliament.u...m/80522s03.htm
and here
http://www.publications.parliament.u...m/80522s01.htm


I hope you can see the deception that is being used against us. If you’re lurking, or if you have not yet written to you MP – be aware this is your chance to change this. Write to your MP NOW, while it can still make a difference.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

I hope you can see the deception that is being used against us. If you’re lurking, or if you have not yet written to you MP – be aware this is your chance to change this. Write to your MP NOW, while it can still make a difference.

Even if you don't think it will make a difference, just do it. We won't know unless we try. What have we got to lose?

[loftedtag]

Reply from Member of Parliament

Received my reply from my MP last week. He expressed his concern and said he will take it up with the Treasury Minister, also he asked for my tax reference and NI number to take up the matter himself with HMRC.

Have replied immediately and wait for the reply.

I received a closure notice nearly a month ago, sent copy to NW and TQ, but logged on to SA and only 2007/8 has changed for the latest submission. 05/06 and 06/07 have stayed the same. Have emailed NW/TQ to check this has been appealed.

Will post again when I get more news.

[silver_lining]

gateway

Can anyone help with the gateway, had a login in from way back..

Just wondering what service I use. I am logged in an individual I had registered for SA online, went in there.... and under my account, it gives me literally nothing, I have options like Your Service/ Manage Services/ etc. clicked all and end up going round in circles..?

am I missing something, besides a brain :-) ?

SL

[AlbionRovers]

Gateway

I'm still getting : -
"
Our system does not currently support the display of your Self Assessment account. Please contact the Online Services Helpdesk for further information (quoting reference SA001)
"
Anyone else get this?

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Can anyone help with the gateway, had a login in from way back..

Just wondering what service I use. I am logged in an individual I had registered for SA online, went in there.... and under my account, it gives me literally nothing, I have options like Your Service/ Manage Services/ etc. clicked all and end up going round in circles..?

am I missing something, besides a brain :-) ?

SL

Try logging in from here:

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/self%2Dassessment

[ContractIn]

3rd time lucky

Finally got a response from my MP Nick Hurd, stated forwarding my letter to relevant minister for a response.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Finally got a response from my MP Nick Hurd, stated forwarding my letter to relevant minister for a response.

Mr Timms in-tray must be starting to fill up nicely.

He is going to be getting something else towards the end of this week which might give him pause for thought.